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Re:Ending our Medium integration by thefz on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @08:49AM (#19034961)
While some interesting and insightful articles still exist on the site, the majority feels like someone trying to explain me what they read on Wikipedia this morning.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by peruvian on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @09:29AM (#19035258)
Or to sell themselves. Or worse, writing a subpar programming tutorial to have "online presence".
Re:Ending our Medium integration by tonystubblebine on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @09:40AM (#19035338)
I run a publication on Medium, Better Humans. My understanding is that the pivot to be a place where most writing is paid for was specifically to crowd out content marketing. The content marketing is, as the two of you say, basically Wikipedia summaries and people selling themselves. It's part of the style guide for their Membership program that writers can't have calls to action (with a few exceptions, like if it's an excerpt from your book).

It's been a great program for us. We write in the area of personal development and it's allowed us to pour a lot of money into getting authors who've actually tested their advice and then working with them to write very thorough tutorials that other people could follow.

In my biased opinion, what we used to compete with was trash simply because it didn't work. Content marketers were writing great headlines for productivity advice they'd never tested, the advice had huge gaps or mistakes, and then it would stop short of telling you what to do so that it could make some call-to-action sales pitch.

We've been getting much less competition for page views from these trash articles based on recent Medium changes. The biggest change was that they manually review all articles before allowing an article to get promoted by their algorithm.

As an example, I have an article I wrote that's just creeping up on 1M page views. That just wasn't possible before.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by criddell on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:58AM (#19036116)
Why stay on Medium? Why not take total ownership and move to your own space?
Re:Ending our Medium integration by tonystubblebine on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:14PM (#19036994)
It's a good partnership for us.

- they handle distribution and are better at it than us.

- they pay more than we'd make in ad rates or conversion to our own services.

- it lets us focus on what we love doing, which is the writing and editing, without managing the other side of a publishing business.

We have license to the copyright for most things we've done in the last 18 months, so it's not a full lock-in either.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by criddell on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:25PM (#19037100)
I'd make sure you have good backups. Medium doesn't feel like it's going to be around for a long time.

One question though - what do you mean by distribution?

Re:Ending our Medium integration by tonystubblebine on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:37PM (#19037248)
Re: sticking around.

They used to have zero revenue and deep investor pockets. Now they have growing revenue and still have deep investor pockets. There's ways for them to disappear, but fewer than there used to be.

Re: distribution. On a typical article, 80% of page views comes from within the Medium network through promotion by the Medium algorithm. Those page views (and even the followers of our publication) are readers that Medium sourced by publishing lots of other articles than ours. Their algorithm is much more reliable at driving 10k's or 100k's of readers than my other choices: mailing list, reddit, hackernews, SEO.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by owens99 on Thursday January 31, 2019 @10:31AM (#19045421)
I’m not a fan of Medium (mainly because of the UI both on mobile and desktop) but it doesn’t seem like you have anything to back up what you are saying.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by criddell on Thursday January 31, 2019 @12:16PM (#19046465)
Well they laid off a bunch of people, changed their business model, and are trying to raise another round.

They aren't some scrappy startup anymore, they are the big dog in the space and doing those kinds of things doesn't exactly signal that all is well.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by mprev on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @03:14PM (#19038952)
I’m curious as to what you mean by distribution. I can’t work out what that mean in the context of the web.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by tonystubblebine on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @03:49PM (#19039308)
Re: distribution.

I answered this above too. Medium finds me readers, both a lot of readers and high quality readers.

They break out their stats by how many readers came directly from promotion throughout the Medium network. For a typical article, that can be in the 10k's of readers.

I didn't mention this above though, which is that Medium readers seem to be very high quality. They share posts out on social media, so they're good for helping get the word out, and a lot of them are people I end up meeting in other contexts.

I have one post from October that's creeping up on 1M readers. I never would have been able to get that many people to read it on my own.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by bachmeier on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @01:51PM (#19037997)
> The biggest change was that they manually review all articles before allowing an article to get promoted by their algorithm.

I wasn't aware of that. Maybe I'll start clicking on Medium links again (on purpose). "Trash articles" is a good description of the most recent content I read on there before giving up on Medium.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by DpdC on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @02:42PM (#19038573)
Medium pays? I just found out about that. And how exactly does it pay you? Because they have never paid me a cent. On the other hand. Medium. It is a specific platform for the English language. It would be impossible to make a blog in Spanish inside of Medium, And earn some money, really? I think I'm right.. Mmmm
Re:Ending our Medium integration by pjc50 on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @11:00AM (#19036135)
> they manually review all articles before allowing an article to get promoted by their algorithm.

This is amazing - this is the thing that people demand of Youtube, in order that the algorithm stops promoting anti-vaxxers and Holocaust deniers.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by Will_Parker on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @11:38AM (#19036559)
Dilemas are, who gatekeeps the gatekeepers, and how much do they want to act like a publisher vs a town square. If too much, maybe they'd become liable for the content they publish.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by jamiek88 on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:14PM (#19036995)
>maybe they'd become liable for the content they publish

And therein you have found the crux.

Take away the massive human resource cost of moderating this they still run the risk of implying approval/endorsement of things they do not manually kill that the algo throws up.

Personally I think you could just consider that training for the AI.

They will have to so something eventually, I can’t see the EU whose member nations do have hate speech laws letting this rabbit hole continue for much longer.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by steve_adams_86 on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @01:27PM (#19037735)
This is so toxic and tiring. It's worth paying for tutorials these days because not only are there thousands out there who want to promote themselves, they want to do so by pretending to be experts. Some are very convincing. If you're a junior or unfamiliar with a technology, you can find yourself reading some of the worst trash out there.

I'm fortunate to have enough experience to tell the wheat from the chaff usually, but holy hell there's a lot of sifting to do. I'm currently studying Python for the first time and the amount of garbage writing on the language I find is frustrating.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by zrobotics on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @02:26PM (#19038356)
The other trouble is, once you have some experience there just aren't very many good tutorials. I was looking through tutorials for node, and most of the ones I found started off with how to open the developer console, and what a for loop is. I'd very much prefer if tutorial authors would just link to one of the many basic CS fundamentals tutorials, and then skip much of the basics. If I'm learning Javascript, I just want to know what the for loop syntax is, without needing an explanation of the concept.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by Pete_D on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @03:25PM (#19039055)
A bit off topic, but in case you were still looking, may I suggest https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/javascript/? That site is my first port of call whenever I need to get a quick overview of a new language.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by wyclif on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @09:28PM (#19041766)
That is good. For books, I like Kyle Simpson's You Don't Know JS series.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by bigmit37 on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:46AM (#19045021)
Is it really that bad? I’ve been reading some of the deep learning stuff and there are some pretty detailed ,lengthy explanations. One time I did notice that An author copied/pasted most of their content from an obscure blog (90%) and I was going to call them out but they did list the blog in their reference.

However I am still a beginner in programming as well as deep learning so maybe I lack the the ability to distinguish between real and fake experts.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by dabockster on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @03:50PM (#19039316)
This is me and Angular. I tried to study it via YouTube tutorials. There were so many holes in the teaching patterns that I gave up on it.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by duxup on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:25AM (#19035761)
>a subpar programming tutorial to have "online presence"

As someone learning programming this hurts so much. I've read so many medium articles that are sort of correct .... but also not and imply things that are straight wrong.

They clearly aren't that many steps beyond my ability and their writing implies they are ... but their work way not.

Really frustrating when you see an obvious template or pattern that is just a bit "off" used in medium post after after post and the code works, but is way not handy to use as you can't really build much off of it / alter it with ease.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by gambler on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:28AM (#19035791)
I don't know how many websites like Medium it will take for people to realize that for quality content a website needs:

1. Well-defined subject.

2. Some standard for quality.

3. Editors with a stake in the website who filter out things that do not fit 1 and 2 and deliberately cultivate the reader base and frequent writers. (I.e. not Wikipedia-style "editors".)

It doesn't have to involve money. It doesn't have to be closed for the public to submit content. It doesn't have to mimic old media in any fashion.

Websites like that used to exist in late 90s early 00s. Web 2.0 movement waged a war against all 3 bullet points above for the benefits of technocrats at the expense of everyone else. Now we're enjoying the consequences.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by headmelted on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @09:03AM (#19035063)
I've noticed this myself. Also, of late it increasingly feels like I'm reading the Op-ed section of the NYT or the Guardian.

I'm all for opinions on current affairs (I have loads!) but it's not what I came here to read, nor is it what your title suggested.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by raverbashing on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @08:55AM (#19035009)
Yeah, TEDx Talks in text format
Re:Ending our Medium integration by PaulHoule on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @09:27AM (#19035246)
TEDx Talks have more words in them and better visuals too.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by dabockster on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @03:57PM (#19039394)
Still the same theme, though. Leads you through a story then either issues a call to action or tries to sell you something. The whole thing is built to affect you enough emotionally to perform whatever action the author wants.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by jtloong on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @09:18AM (#19035169)
Wow this is the perfect analogy.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:24PM (#19037089)
I feel like 95% of the Medium posts I find are some vague attempt to sell. Usually some company trashing a competitor for pages, and then the last paragraph is their call to action to try their new replacement to said competitor.
Re:Ending our Medium integration by duxup on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:22AM (#19035730)
> trying to explain me what they read on Wikipedia this morning.

Often feel like resume padding is the underlying motivator too.

Re:Ending our Medium integration by bloopernova on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:14PM (#19036986)
This is true. There's a certain subtle pressure in the dev and IT community to be like those prolific open source contributors, stackoverflow gurus, and insightful bloggers with thousands of twitter followers.

I imagine that there's a whole slew of different causes and neuroses mixed in with feeling that pressure, including the ever-present and insidious imposter syndrome. It's very difficult to feel "good enough" when you're comparing yourself to those hugely popular open source developers. It's probably tied up in the same bundle as people with an Instagram account trying to compare themselves to the models with tens of millions of followers.