Re:South Korea rules pre-installed phone bloatware must be d...
by topspin on Sunday January 27, 2019 @04:24PM
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> Under the new guidelines, telcos are required to make most of their pre-installed apps deletable except for four necessary items related to Wi-Fi connectivity, near-field communication (NFC), the customer service center and the app store.
I don't believe the purveyors of 'bloatware' are going to struggle much exploiting that list of exceptions. I think I could shoehorn just about anything into 'customer service center' and 'app store.'
Re:South Korea rules pre-installed phone bloatware must be d...
by slezyr on Sunday January 27, 2019 @05:27PM
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In fact there is no "non deletable" apps on your phone. You can do "adb shell" then "pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.huawei.android.mirrorshare". No need for root or something.
Re:South Korea rules pre-installed phone bloatware must be d...
by jammygit on Sunday January 27, 2019 @06:11PM
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I was using an s8 last year and iirc facebook could only be 'disabled,' not uninstalled. Same with many others. I switched to a lineageOS friendly phone since with very few issues (pixel XL).
Re:South Korea rules pre-installed phone bloatware must be d...
by dmitrygr on Sunday January 27, 2019 @09:03PM
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On modern Android, disable and uninstall are the same exact thing. And please don't start telling me that the difference is the binary stays around. It does not run. Ever.
Trust me, you prefer it this way. The system partition being read only is the same reason why your phone is much more secure than it would be otherwise.
And as to why it is there in the first place, that is a question for Samsung.
But please stop spreading around false information about Android. Uninstall and disable are the same thing as far as the app is concerned and as far as the user is concerned and as far as the operating system is concerned.
Re:South Korea rules pre-installed phone bloatware must be d...
by dmitrygr on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:42AM
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No they do not!!!
They are in the /system partition, which is sized once per Android release and never changed again. If you remounted it as read/write, and deleted them, you would recover no space!
Any application installed in the /data partition can be deleted. That has the space you see and the space you can free. Applications that come pre-installed on the phone and cannot be deleted are in the /system partition. It is a completely separate part of the storage, not accessible to the user for writing and does not count against free space. It is where the OS lives. Even if you do modify this partition, no matter how, you will not get any more free space for your user data
Re:South Korea rules pre-installed phone bloatware must be d...
by jeena on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:46AM
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I guess if even I myself didn't get that from the UI then most probably most of the people out there have no chance to get that either. It would be nice if the UI would somehow convey this information.
Also, the size of that partition is decided by taking into account that the Facebook app will need to fit there. If you hadn't any preinstalled apps then this size would be able to be smaller and then you would get more space on your device for applications which you actually need to use.
Re:South Korea rules pre-installed phone bloatware must be d...
by dmitrygr on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:12PM
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Actually, it's sized with some amount of free space to allow for future updates. Pre-installed apps rarely make a significant difference. Core Android at this point is pretty large
I don't believe the purveyors of 'bloatware' are going to struggle much exploiting that list of exceptions. I think I could shoehorn just about anything into 'customer service center' and 'app store.'
Of the GS6, GS6 Edge, GS7, GS7 Edge, and GS9+ on T-Mobile I've had, the only one that had Facebook pre-installed was the GS6.
Trust me, you prefer it this way. The system partition being read only is the same reason why your phone is much more secure than it would be otherwise.
And as to why it is there in the first place, that is a question for Samsung.
But please stop spreading around false information about Android. Uninstall and disable are the same thing as far as the app is concerned and as far as the user is concerned and as far as the operating system is concerned.
They are in the /system partition, which is sized once per Android release and never changed again. If you remounted it as read/write, and deleted them, you would recover no space!
Any application installed in the /data partition can be deleted. That has the space you see and the space you can free. Applications that come pre-installed on the phone and cannot be deleted are in the /system partition. It is a completely separate part of the storage, not accessible to the user for writing and does not count against free space. It is where the OS lives. Even if you do modify this partition, no matter how, you will not get any more free space for your user data
Also, the size of that partition is decided by taking into account that the Facebook app will need to fit there. If you hadn't any preinstalled apps then this size would be able to be smaller and then you would get more space on your device for applications which you actually need to use.