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Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by oliveshell on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @02:02PM (#18867659)
Wow, performance competitive with i9-9900K at nearly half the power draw would be huge if it turns out to be true. Can’t wait for benchmarks.

What an architecture Zen is.

Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by kissiel on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @04:48PM (#18869278)
130W on AMD vs 180W Intel. Nearly 75%.

Also, I'm worried that they're at "engineering sample, glad it didn't crash" stage. Optimistically this will hit shelves at Q3, and at this point we may see sunny-cove-based 10nm (Whole chip, not only the "chiplet") cpu from the blue team.

I think AMD's success will come down to pricing...

Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by nonbel on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @06:16PM (#18870009)
You are comparing power for the entire system. I think they subtracted 55W of idle power consumption from both to get only the cpu, then compare: 75/125 = 0.6.
Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by cm2187 on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @07:20PM (#18870420)
But isn’t part of idle consumption due to the cpu?
Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by mdorazio on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @08:02PM (#18870631)
Not very much. For example i9 uses under 13 watts at idle [1].

[1] https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-7900x-sky...

Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by nonbel on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @07:26PM (#18870453)
It's just a guesstimate. From TFA:

>"If we take a look at our average system idle power in our own reviews which is around 55W, this would make the Intel CPU around 125W, whereas the AMD CPU would be around 75W"

I have no idea what percent of idle power consumption the cpu should be responsible for, from their treatment I would assume negligible.

Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by chodeboy on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @05:08PM (#18869470)
Intel has been flashing the 10nm for 2+ years now. If anyone Intel should be worried if the can keep their schedule.
Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by agumonkey on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @03:45PM (#18868678)
I wonder how AMD is planning long term. Zen did put them back on track, but I hope it's not a one shot era and that they will find ways to get strong for a decade or so.
Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by sitkack on Wednesday January 09, 2019 @10:55PM (#18871398)
Chiplets and power are the next dimension of competition. Yield, chiplets vastly improve yield. The limit as chiplet size drops, yield basically goes to 1. Erasure Coding for Silicon.

And then power, part of that is process and part is design. I am not skilled enough to call that, but as leakage current drops, then does power draw, static power draw, allowing for frequencies to scale over larger ranges. Hell, maybe went with some novel clockless design.

Either way, this is momentous.

Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by agumonkey on Thursday January 10, 2019 @04:41AM (#18872647)
I didn't see any news about leakage being resolved, do you have an article ?

clockless and low power.. exciting

Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by sitkack on Thursday January 10, 2019 @09:37AM (#18874076)
It was supposition based on the power differences, I only do armchair solid state physics.
Re:AMD Ryzen 3rd Gen 'Matisse' Coming Mid 2019: Eight Core Z... by agumonkey on Thursday January 10, 2019 @01:02PM (#18876212)
better than bedroom solid state physics I guess