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Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by chappi42 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @08:30AM (#18838206)
> Threema is proprietary and I think it's dangerous to recommend it as an alternative. Everything we trust should be open.

On the other hand, they have been audited [1], have transparency reports [2] and their servers are Swiss based [3]. Yes open source would be nice, but a relative small company with a focused business model (not dependent on advertisement, data-gathering, donations, kind [bi|mi]llionairs) has its advantages too.

I'm using Threema since some years and wouldn't want anything else.

[1]: https://threema.ch/en/faq/code_audit/ [2]: https://threema.ch/en/transparencyreport [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threema#Privacy

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by pgeorgi on Sunday January 06, 2019 @10:47AM (#18838849)
> their servers are Swiss based

So is Crypto AG. Didn't help Iran from keeping secrets from the NSA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

[edit to add: not saying that Threema sells out like this, but "they're Swiss" is as meaningless for a security assessment as any other nationality]

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by gsich on Sunday January 06, 2019 @11:14AM (#18838998)
>their servers are Swiss based

which doesn't mean anything.

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by chappi42 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @04:17PM (#18840765)
Why not? Law, regulation and policies matter. The servers fall under the jurisdiction of the country where they are located.

There are certainly other options, but I think Switzerland is among the countries with quite reasonable data protection laws. Here the text... https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920153/...) or some statements which I found with a quick google search: https://protonmail.com/blog/switzerland/ or https://swissmade.host/en/data-protection.