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Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by VvR-Ox on Sunday January 06, 2019 @07:43AM (#18838053)
Threema is proprietary and I think it's dangerous to recommend it as an alternative. Everything we trust should be open.

Telegram is not perfect but better than WhatsApp. Also there is people who want convenience like history sync - it won't help telling them that it's unsecure. In the end at least facebook doesn't have their data.

For NSA etc. it's not that important where stuff is. From the leaks we know they can do everything they want (expertise + huge money) so if you want something more secure you maybe shouldn't use one of the popular solutions at all ;-)

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by chappi42 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @08:30AM (#18838206)
> Threema is proprietary and I think it's dangerous to recommend it as an alternative. Everything we trust should be open.

On the other hand, they have been audited [1], have transparency reports [2] and their servers are Swiss based [3]. Yes open source would be nice, but a relative small company with a focused business model (not dependent on advertisement, data-gathering, donations, kind [bi|mi]llionairs) has its advantages too.

I'm using Threema since some years and wouldn't want anything else.

[1]: https://threema.ch/en/faq/code_audit/ [2]: https://threema.ch/en/transparencyreport [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threema#Privacy

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by pgeorgi on Sunday January 06, 2019 @10:47AM (#18838849)
> their servers are Swiss based

So is Crypto AG. Didn't help Iran from keeping secrets from the NSA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

[edit to add: not saying that Threema sells out like this, but "they're Swiss" is as meaningless for a security assessment as any other nationality]

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by gsich on Sunday January 06, 2019 @11:14AM (#18838998)
>their servers are Swiss based

which doesn't mean anything.

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by chappi42 on Sunday January 06, 2019 @04:17PM (#18840765)
Why not? Law, regulation and policies matter. The servers fall under the jurisdiction of the country where they are located.

There are certainly other options, but I think Switzerland is among the countries with quite reasonable data protection laws. Here the text... https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920153/...) or some statements which I found with a quick google search: https://protonmail.com/blog/switzerland/ or https://swissmade.host/en/data-protection.

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by xashor on Sunday January 06, 2019 @08:09AM (#18838131)
It doesn't relly matter that much if Facebook has your metadata or Telegram has your metadata. What's more important: WhatsApp E2E is more secure than Telegrams self built E2E, that needs to be enabled and doesn't support group chats.

Also, Telegram isn't that open source either: server side is closed source and the client side seems to be still an undocumented, mirrored mess.

So for me at least, as I don't want anyone that easily to read my messages: many other solutions > WhatsApp > Telegram.

Re:Why Telegram is insecure (2015) by enitihas on Sunday January 06, 2019 @12:27PM (#18839373)
Isn't Telegram open source strictly superior than WhatsApp open source? WhatsApp has neither client side nor server side code available(server side doesn't mean much anyways, as Good luck verifying if that is the code which runs on some server).