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Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by threeseed on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @06:30PM (#18811383)
> The root issue is not addressed

No manufacturer gives free battery replacements to 3 year old, out of warranty phones.

And even if they did the issue would still be wide spread because most people wouldn't necessarily come in to have it replaced.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by Puer on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @06:36PM (#18811425)
Anecdotal, but I am not a heavy phone user at all. Within a year of purchasing my brand new iPhone SE, the battery capacity dropped from 100% to 82%, causing it to begin to lag considerably doing even basic tasks and shut down randomly two or three times a week. This should not happen to a product that's only a year old.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by eridius on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:18PM (#18811683)
That sounds like you have defective hardware. You're right in that you shouldn't experience significant battery degradation within a year. But beyond that, 82% battery capacity should not result in significant lag and really should not result in randomly shutting down two or three times a week.

If you had brought your phone in to an Apple Store during that first year I'm sure they would have replaced it for you under warranty.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by bschwindHN on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:38PM (#18811801)
Agreed, I have 2 year old SE that's at 88% with everyday use.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by brandon272 on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @11:56PM (#18812925)
My SE is slightly over a year old and I'm already at 90%. Not happy. Though unless Apple comes out with something similar, I will replace the battery at full cost before I replace the device.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by voltagex_ on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @06:37PM (#18811434)
Other manufacturers don't go after repair shops aggressively, either.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by threeseed on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @06:57PM (#18811556)
They wouldn't exist if Apple was actually aggressive.

Repair shops have simply been victims of Apple's aggressive approach to security.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by voltagex_ on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:45PM (#18811848)
If you're repairing a Samsung phone, you can log in and order a part. The price list is at https://www.samsung.com/au/support/screen-replacements/, for example.

Meanwhile, Apple does something like https://boingboing.net/2018/10/20/louis-rossman.html

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by threeseed on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @09:04PM (#18812209)
Did you even read the article you posted ?

Customs seized it. Not Apple.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by x0x0 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:02AM (#18813187)
Did you?

> Apple is working with the government

And from the source article

>[Apple] will not allow me to replace batteries, because when I import batteries that are original they’ll tell me the they’re counterfeit and have them stolen from by [CBP].

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by threeseed on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:33AM (#18813305)
There is no evidence from the article that Apple is working with Customs to block the imports of batteries or any other parts.

Customs in general prevents the importation of counterfeit goods. Which they determine by whether that item has a logo and if it came from a legitimate source.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by sumedh on Friday January 04, 2019 @08:48AM (#18823986)
Samsung Australia does not sell batteries though, you have to replace it using their support center.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by paulie_a on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:20PM (#18811694)
Interesting, I know someone in that line of work. They've never had a problem with apples aggressive security measures. Phone is repaired and shipped out.
Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by threeseed on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:38PM (#18811804)
There was an issue in the past with the Secure Enclave and the verification between it and the TouchID sensor. Third parties who replaced the sensor didn't have the ability to reset the pairing and even if you did there was the infamous Error 53 problem.

All solved now and third party repairers can do most things.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by ProfessorLayton on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @06:45PM (#18811477)
The 6/6S were plagued with defective batteries, so phones under their 1 year warranty were affected. Only some phones manufactured during specific dates were covered by a free replacement; my phone was one of those.

Furthermore, the root issue could have been addressed not just by offering free replacements (They weren't), instead of slowing down phones and having customers believe their devices were obsolete much earlier than anticipated, they could have been transparent about the issue like they are now.

Instead, I ended up with 1 free battery replacement, and 1 heavily subsidized replacement, which certainly factored into my delayed upgrade cycle. Apple experienced this enough to warn their investors about it in this letter.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by threeseed on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:02PM (#18811585)
You're conflating two seperate issues here.

The point I am making is that NO manufacturer replaces naturally degraded batteries for free. Defective sure. And not just phone manufacturers but I haven't heard of any manufacturer doing that. Batteries are a consumable item.

I do agree however that Apple should have been upfront about their measures they were taking to mitigate battery degradation.

Re:Letter from Tim Cook to Apple Investors by ProfessorLayton on Wednesday January 02, 2019 @07:34PM (#18811775)
Correct and perhaps I could have been more clear, but as far as a consumer is concerned Apple did conflate the two issues.

Apple initially refused to replace my battery because they're consumable, even though they later admitted that some batteries were defective. They replaced some batteries for free [1], everyone else got an iOS 10.2.1 update with silent throttling [2]. Note that Apple did not admit to defective batteries until late 2016, and then announced an update with silent throttling in early 2017.

I am not implying that Apple should replace everyone's batteries for free, I am however under the impression that they attempted to keep warranty costs low by denying for as long as they could, and quickly following up with an update that hides the symptoms.

[1] https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/ [2] https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/23/apple-says-ios-10-2-1-has-...