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Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by paulddraper on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:11PM (#18774374)
A few comments:

First, US insurance companies are often pseudo non-profits, with profit caps. [1]

Second, another model is Medicare Advantage where beneficiaries can choose a private entity to administer their Medicare plan.

Third, most commercial insurance in the US is not actually underwritten by insurance co's, but by "self-funded" employers. In this case, the insurance company is merely a third-party administrator (TPA) for the employee plans, using XYZ's bank account (and trying to save them money, offer health incentive programs, etc., to secure repeat business). Most companies with more than, say, 500 employees operate this way, though usually you won't even know this is the case.

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Finally, if by

> do we want to provide universal access to healthcare?

you mean "do we want everyone to have healthcare?", the answer is an easy "yes". We want universal access to housing, healthcare, employment, etc.

But if the question is "do we want the government to use taxes to ensure that everyone has healthcare?", the answer is far more divided. There's a lot of interesting examples elsewhere. But as you've mentioned, the US government has already dipped its toe into those waters with the VA, and I don't think it's been perceived as a success.

[1] http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/02/04/does-obamacare-...

Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by throw-far-away on Friday December 28, 2018 @03:35AM (#18775557)
I worked for one of those "non-profit" hospitals / higher-ed institutions. The one I was at was "non-profit" in name, but just as profit-hungry as upscale hospitals. There's a 2-D continuum of patient care quality and profit-motivated care (cost to patient and cost to insurance).
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by dontreact on Friday December 28, 2018 @06:33AM (#18776191)
I was only talking about insurance administrative costs. Well aware of how easily the label "non-profit" can be played with. In particular the case of UPMC somewhat holding the city hostage to keep their status.
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by dontreact on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:20PM (#18774397)
I believe this article is about a provision in the ACA to limit administrative costs to 20%, which is highly unimpressive when you look at the way non profit insurance works in every other developed country.
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by paulddraper on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:33PM (#18774467)
Perhaps. Where are you getting the 5% administrative costs?

All numbers I've seen have been far higher than that.

* Canada 12%

* Britain 16%

* Netherlands 20%

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/sites/default/files/___medi...

Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by throw-far-away on Friday December 28, 2018 @03:38AM (#18775572)
Bigger hospitals can afford to have a modest administrative cost because there are fixed (as opposed to variable costs that scale with patients served and departments funded) that scale and amortize in huge organizations. Small hospitals (let's say somewhere in Iceland) either have to do without fancy tech/better staff that usually command more $$$, or have to spend more, increasing their overhead. In reality and to be fair, it's better to compare their patient outcomes and financials in-depth rather than looking at the overhead percentages only.
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by Steko on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:46PM (#18774521)
Your link is provider admin costs. IIRC insurer admin costs are 3% for UK and 5% for Canada.
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by paulddraper on Thursday December 27, 2018 @10:37PM (#18774729)
You're correct; good clarification on which admin costs we're talking about.
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by dontreact on Friday December 28, 2018 @06:32AM (#18776189)
Right, I was only talking about insurance administrative costs.
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by garmaine on Thursday December 27, 2018 @09:32PM (#18774463)
That just means you have to increase costs to increase profits. It's NOT a solution, as a century of ballooning cost-plus government contracts have shown.
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by dontreact on Thursday December 27, 2018 @11:28PM (#18774872)
I’m not saying that the solution is to close this gap. It’s just another sign of the failure of our system. Seems like there is plenty of evidence around the world that insurance companies can be non profit and work quite well. In fact in the US this was the case until the 80s.
Re:John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened? by garmaine on Friday December 28, 2018 @09:03AM (#18776733)
I'm just pointing out that the specific structure you specified has truly perverse incentives that have historically raised costs in every industry in which they've been applied (which includes not just healthcare and other insurance markets, but also defense spending since WW2).