> the app isn't bloated

> I can bear the start-up latency and the RAM usage as long as app is overall quick after that.

Error. Does not compute.

There's the bloat of apps like Notion.so giving you a calendar and a kanban board, and there's the bloat of the apps that use 100mb of ram more than the optimal.

I can bear the latter, not the former.

Reverse for me, because the former is at least providing features that give some value; even if not for me, then for some users people, and who knows, maybe I'll be using them in the future. Electron is pure unadulterated waste. And since the app isn't "bloated", by not including a calendar and a kanban board, I might need to use another Electron app for calendar, and yet another Electron app for kanban, and then I have to throw out my computer and buy one with more RAM.

This is not a dig at you specifically, but Electron (and to large extent, the whole modern web) makes me think that some developers believe theirs is the only software users will run. But users run many programs simultaneously, and all this unnecessary bloat adds up, resulting in frustration, lost productivity, and unnecessary quick turnover of perfectly good hardware.

I see your point of view, but also if you absolutely don't need a kanban board and other such features the app becomes more difficult to use. Regarding the RAM as long as there's enough available I think it makes no difference performance-wise if I have 5gb or 2gb free.

From my point of view as the developer of the Electron app in question I get to reuse the components I spent considerable time developing and a cross-platform app almost for free.

Btw for this specific case Electron might not beed too bad of a choice RAM-wise, I checked it earlier the RAM usage of Notable and Evernote and amazingly Evernote, which is native, was using about 100mb more on my system (mid-2014 MBP). Maybe partially because at the end of the day you're going to need an HTML renderer to render those notes anyway.

I see your point of view too. And I realize that Electron performance story seems to be improving, bit by bit.

I can understand you preferring to make life easier for yourself as a developer, leveraging your existing code and getting cross-platform support for free. Personally, I'm of a belief that the extra work necessary to do it with less resources is worthwhile and needs to be encouraged, which is why I a) actively avoid Electron apps, and b) speak up about it.

> Regarding the RAM as long as there's enough available I think it makes no difference performance-wise if I have 5gb or 2gb free.

It makes a difference when you want to use more programs at the same time. Which is what most users want and expect from their computers, and which is a fundamental feature of contemporary computers. Given the increase of bloat in software all across the board, most users are operating near the top of their RAM capacity, not the bottom. There's only so much of it left before they just can't have everything they want working at the same time.

For instance, right now when I launch (and use for a while) Firefox and Chrome, Emacs, and a local instance of a product I'm working on, I'm nearly maxing out my machine's RAM. If someone was to force me to use an Electron app for chat and music, I'd proably have to either a) keep closing and opening browsers, b) launch the product I'm developing on a different machine (less convenient), c) upgrade my computer. But instead, I can choose not to use bloated applications and keep my workflow convenient, and my perfectly good computer still in use.

Notion was so bloated it barely worked on my iphone 6+. Insta-deleted.

They even added some kind of spreadsheets to Notion :S

I feel you on this, but for me the solution has been really simple so far: just a dedicated notes folder + good ol' atom.

Ticks all the boxes & uses nothing but my default workspace

Second that. Markdown is about lightweight, requiring just a text editor and a few neurons to memorize the markup.

Markdown already handles 'attachments' via tag for image or HTML anchor for other file types. Prettify via CSS.

Global search and replace indeed needs an extra effort. If faced with such a need, I'd just use any of active IDEs already installed, well, Atom should do.

Adding "attachments" like that, the way Boostnote also does it, is not portable nor ergonomic, since you need the full path to the file in question or you need to upload it somewhere.

What? Just use a relative path.

It doesn't tick all the boxes though, there's no good way of adding attachments to notes and the moment a note should be categorized into 2 or more folders the all thing falls apart.

Granted on the folder side of things, but adding an attachment is really just dropping it into the folder on the filesystem side.

You can't just paste it like you could with other apps on Windows though, and youll need to do a tiny bit of manual work - granted!

I can tick those boxes with just a filesystem, a text editor, and grep.

Except, maybe, Evernote import — no idea how that works.

Kind of, I see no good way of adding attachments to notes this way, and the moment a note belongs to 2 or more folders/tags the all thing falls apart.

Folders are notes (text+attachments), tags via grep.