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Re:Tech Unicorns Are Going Public at Near-Record Pace by nostrademons on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:10PM (#18718382)
Wages are hardly stagnating - by the numbers, they hit a 9-year high last month [1], and anecdotally, I'm finally hearing non-tech people saying "Dude, just find another job and get a big raise." The unemployment rate is lower than it's been since Nixon took office. [2][3]

Interest rates are a bit worrisome - historically the Fed has a tendency to overshoot and cause a recession, and do so 2-3 years after the rate hikes go through. If they didn't hike at all, we'd end up with the mother of all bubbles, though.

To learc83's point - the last time I can remember when people didn't think a recession was imminent was 1998-2000, when everybody was talking about the "New Economy" and how profits didn't matter anymore and insane stock valuations would be justified by productivity increases going forward. That was a helluva bubble. Then from 2001-2003 we actually were in recession, 2004-2007 smart money was predicting the coming CDO/housing/hedge fund crash, 2008-2009 the crash happened, 2010-2011 everyone was talking about a double-dip, 2011-2014 was the "jobless recovery" and talk about how the sectors that were destroyed in 2009 were permanently dead and tech was the one bright spot in the economy, 2014-2015 was the seed funding/delivery startup/sharing economy bubble, 2015-2016 was a tech slowdown as that bubble popped, and 2017-2018 was all about how Trump was about to ruin the economy (hasn't happened yet, who knows about later?). In the process, we've had bubbles in dot-coms, housing, derivatives, hedge funds, Web 2.0 startups, mobile apps, accelerators, delivery startups, West Coast real estate, and cryptocurrencies, all of which have amounted to a large transfer of wealth from those who followed the news to those who make the news.

[1] https://www.frbatlanta.org/chcs/wage-growth-tracker.aspx?pan...

[2] http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/national-e...

[3] https://www.thebalance.com/unemployment-rate-by-year-3305506

Re:Tech Unicorns Are Going Public at Near-Record Pace by monocasa on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:21PM (#18718512)
A nine year high: ie. they still haven't fully recovered since the last recession. And your source doesn't doesnt appear to take into account CPI increases over the same period.
Re:Tech Unicorns Are Going Public at Near-Record Pace by nostrademons on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @02:33PM (#18718647)
The post I'm replying to is arguing about interest rates & wage growth over the past 2 years. I'm pointing out that this is false for wage growth over that time period.

If you want to discuss how structural changes in the economy have let capital fuck over labor, that's a different conversation. That trend has been going on since before I was born, though, and the takeaway I learned from it, before even entering the workforce, was "Build capital."

Re:Tech Unicorns Are Going Public at Near-Record Pace by monocasa on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @04:20PM (#18719758)
> The post I'm replying to is arguing about interest rates & wage growth over the past 2 years. I'm pointing out that this is false for wage growth over that time period.

And like I said, your citation doesn't take I to account increases in CPI.

Real wage growth is falling. https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/09/25/real-...

It doesn't matter if they're getting more Uncle Sam Fun Bucks, if those Fun Bucks are worth less than they gained.

> If you want to discuss how structural changes in the economy have let capital fuck over labor, that's a different conversation.

Nah, they're pretty related.

> That trend has been going on since before I was born, though, and the takeaway I learned from it, before even entering the workforce, was "Build capital."

It's next to impossible to build capital if you're not being paid a living wage to start with, and your real wage growth is negative.

Re:Tech Unicorns Are Going Public at Near-Record Pace by owens99 on Thursday December 20, 2018 @04:29AM (#18723529)
> If you want to discuss how structural changes in the economy have let capital fuck over labor, that's a different conversation.

Well said. This should no doubt be the focus.

Re:Tech Unicorns Are Going Public at Near-Record Pace by ksec on Friday December 21, 2018 @06:03AM (#18732636)
>they still haven't fully recovered since the last recession........ and CPI

Exactly this. I don't understand why everyone keep overlooking.