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Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by yeuxverte on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @01:28PM (#18709107)
Have we really gotten to the point where "some dude quit Facebook" is considered news? The fact that the NYT has degenerated to this is disappointing. While there are certainly fair criticisms of Facebook, this trigger friendly news coverage of the company is becoming outrageous and is detracting from any previous viable points.
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by tshannon on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @01:34PM (#18709179)
Well, when some dude is a veteran tech journalist whose access to information and networks may depend on him having a facebook account, I'd say it's interesting enough to be newsworthy (although maybe not new york times newsworthy), in my opinion.

I may be misunderstanding your claim that it's "detracting from any previous viable points". What points are you referring to that this detracts from?

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by aylmao on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:19PM (#18710168)
I don't think it detracts from previous viable points like OP, but I do think the headline might at first trigger an eye-roll on a lot of readers. It sounds like an irrelevant piece of trivia that the NYT wants to blow up in an attempt to just keep throwing mud at Facebook.

If one reads the article there's a few interesting points-- it includes some statements by Mossberg and info on his book which will probably include some thoughts on Facebook.

I try to at least skim stories before commenting on them which is the only reason I opened this one. The title reads like cheap celebrity journalism. Something more fleshed-out, like an interview going in depth about his thoughts on Facebook and tech's impact as a whole, leading to his book, would've been more "NYT worthy" IMO. And a better title.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by porpoisely on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @08:05PM (#18712134)
Do you know if the NYTimes wrote an article when mossberg opened his facebook account? If mossberg opening a facebook account isn't news, neither is his closing of his account.

Also, mossberg is a journalist. I was under the impression that journalists being the news themselves is bad journalism. Isn't that why most journalists go out of their way to not to be part of a story?

If rupert murdoch, in his war with facebook, pressured mossberg to close his account, that would be news. Otherwise, this is just the nytimes and a journalist creating news, not reporting on news.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by egwynn on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:37PM (#18709776)
Have we really gotten to the point where Walt Mossberg is considered "some dude" on a technology news website?
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by jimmy1 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:42PM (#18709811)
Having worked in tech my whole life and been a frequent visitor of the site, I have never heard of him.

Regardless, this is still fair criticism. This would be like seeing in the scrolling banner of "Breaking News" on CNN "<Insert Well Known Person in their field> quits job at <Insert large company>"

Belongs in maybe the entertainment or business section, maybe, section, but wouldn't classify it as "tech news"

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Having thought about it a little more, I can see a valid case when said person in question, considered monumental enough, leaves a platform, business or field and is reported as news. I guess it's more of a reflection of how little HN'ers (including myself) think of Facebook in the grand scheme of things. It's just a website. What's next, we report that he or she has left Flickr or Reddit? That's kind of what I think GP and myself were getting at. Now if this person was the founder of Facebook, or instrumental in the success of the platform, and then decides to leave, I think absolutely it would be tech news.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by MR4D on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:47PM (#18709852)
Your comment surprises me.

Walt had a pretty impressive group of friends:

https://www.slashgear.com/walt-mossberg-steve-jobs-and-bill-...

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by ArchTypical on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @04:24PM (#18719806)
I don't care who his friends are. I don't find people interesting because of the company they keep or track their career because they interviewed someone. Galafinakis isn't worth fawning over because he mock-interviewed Obama. Baskets wasn't interesting either.

Any guy quitting facebook (who can sign up again for free in a heartbeat, it's zero risk) is an event, granted. Might as well talk about the time someone quit selling on eBay or had a video removed by Youtube or went to Ohio. It doesn't mean anything until you sensationalize it. This indicates that it is not news, but raw sensationalism.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by jimmy1 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:54PM (#18709931)
I am not saying that to belittle the man in any sort of way, or diminish his accomplishments, I am just simply saying it shouldn't be surprising that people haven't heard of some other people, despite how famous others think he or she might be. Pretty sure there is an XKCD for this. I have my categories of people where I would react the same way ("What do you mean you have never heard of Carl Sassenrath!?" as an example).
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by jeron on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:09PM (#18710081)
That's hilarious, I have definitely heard of Walt Mossberg but I have never heard of Carl Sassenrath
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by jimmy1 on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:11AM (#18716092)
;) He is the father of multitasking! Definitely an important figure in computing history -- he created the Amiga Computer operating system kernel and also was a pivotal figure in HP's early successes as well. I think he works at Roku now.

Also a reminder how crazy young the field of computer science is -- important figures are still as young as 62! Kind of cool in a way. I hope to get to meet him in person.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by MR4D on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:24PM (#18710201)
That's a fair point. In my world, Walt's name is as recognizable as Bjarne Stroustrup - one is for techies, the other is for the rest of the population.

EDIT: Right after posting this, I realized my world was ambiguous - "my world" is simply the people I interact with and the information that flows between us - not making a qualitative judgement.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by piyushahuja on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @11:07PM (#18712928)
I have not heard of any of the dudes on any of the comments in this thread. Neither Carl Sassenrath nor Walt Mossberg nor Bjarne Stroustrup. Now I am concerned.
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by JoshGlazebrook on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:48PM (#18709867)
Yeah.. if you haven't seen any of those interviews ^, I'd give them a watch. They're still pretty relevant.
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by mikestew on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:52PM (#18709907)
Having worked in tech my whole life and been a frequent visitor of the site, I have never heard of him.

I suppose one could spend an entire tech career having never heard the name Doanald Knuth, but I wouldn’t wear that as a badge of honor.

Mossberg is hardly on the level of Knuth, but it does cause me to wonder if the cave you must live in is damp enough to cause problems with computing gear.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by matte_black on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:18PM (#18710160)
Don't see why it's necessary to condescend people this way, the fact is some people just don't care about people enough to remember their names. Have you heard of Ian Gibbons?
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by wowzap on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @04:39PM (#18710830)
Um. Yes? What has this guy done in the past 5 years? All the linked commenters saying how great his work is posted 10 year old videos of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.

Maybe the better question is, is Walt Mossberg still relevant to the technology scene?

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by porpoisely on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @08:54PM (#18712398)
To be fair, hacker news is a special kind of technology website. A place where many know a lot more about technology than walt mossberg. He wrote for the masses ( actually the business people - WSJ ), not for "hackers". For most us, he is just some dude. For the masses, he is the technology guy. But ultimately, he was a journalist, not a technology guru.
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by jvagner on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:20PM (#18709659)
Facebook has massive reach, feels essential to most people, has gone through a difficult news cycle, issues bad news on a weekly basis, may have undermined democratic stability in some countries, and is a significant component of most corporate marketing PPC strategies.

When influential tech personalities, especially ones who are as corporate and CEO friendly as Mossberg, say the are leaving because of a values mis-match, it might be the tipping point for a broader exodus.

That's why it's news.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by aylmao on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @03:28PM (#18710241)
Mossberg had a long career or tech reviews and CEO friends, but I've personally never thought of him as a "thought leader". Moreover, he's unfamiliar to a lot of people.

IMO statements by Chomsky would be more news-worthy. Or by people who might have bigger stakes in staying in the platform-- say if the NYT themselves announced they were gonna be leaving the platform. Mossberg is retired.

I guess the relevance of this piece depends on each person's admiration for Mossberg.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by jlarocco on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @06:07PM (#18711458)
Writing it off as "some dude quits Facebook" is pretty narrow minded.

For better or worse he has a big audience, and the fact he's publicly quitting Facebook has more real world influence than a bunch of HN geeks doing so.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by malvosenior on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @07:59PM (#18712100)
I don’t think this will have any real world impact. There has been an all out media assault on Facebook for some time now with no real usage impact. Mossberg‘s audience in particular seems like the least likely group of people to quit FB. Grandparents are going to stay on FB as long as they can keep seeing pictures of their grandchildren, etc...

I don’t think anyone uses Facebook because it is “cool” (and thus susceptible to media tarnishing). They use it because their social network is on it and they value that.

Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by djohnston on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @01:45PM (#18709298)
gotta keep the narrative alive, especially when it's your competitor
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by mc32 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @08:34PM (#18712297)
Imagine a news story Mark Zuckerberg cancells NYT subscription. It’s like sn onion article or news of the world. Wow, this is kind of petty.
Re:Walt Mossberg Quits Facebook by friedman23 on Tuesday December 18, 2018 @02:29PM (#18709715)
The NYT is only good for headlines and even then it's mediocre, every time they have some interesting headline and I open the article and it always starts with some stupid personal anecdote. It's almost as if their journalists are paid by the word.