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Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by cperciva on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:00PM (#18614040)
I don't see the connection. Right to Work laws say that workers can't be forced to join a union. They don't say that workers can't voluntarily join a union; so why should they say that workers can't voluntarily sign a non-compete?
Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by deogeo on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @07:18PM (#18614150)
Why should laws say employers can't voluntarily sign a union security agreement [0]?

There's no force involved in either case - workers can choose not to work at a union shop, just like they can choose* not to work under a non-compete.

*Until it becomes impossible to find a place without a non-compete.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by cperciva on Thursday December 06, 2018 @01:42PM (#18620789)
Why should laws say employers can't voluntarily sign a union security agreement?

Because (at least pre-Hobby-Lobby) laws have historically prioritized the rights of individuals over the rights of corporations. An employer which compels their employees to join a union is signing away the rights of those employees, while an employee who signs a non-compete is only signing away their own rights.

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by deogeo on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:18PM (#18621750)
The compulsion in both cases is exactly the same - pay union dues/sign non-compete, or find a new job.
Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by cperciva on Thursday December 06, 2018 @03:24PM (#18621807)
You can negotiate with an employer over the terms of the non-compete you sign.

If the employer has a mandatory unionization agreement, you can't negotiate with them to change the terms of that.

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by deogeo on Thursday December 06, 2018 @04:04PM (#18622217)
Sure you can - just invite the union to the negotiating table. Any contract can be changed if all parties agree. Or even simpler - ask for a pay raise in the exact amount of the union dues.
Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by cperciva on Thursday December 06, 2018 @09:08PM (#18624525)
Asking for a pay raise to cover the union dues is a red herring -- unions do far more than merely collect dues from their members.
Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by deogeo on Friday December 07, 2018 @12:54PM (#18629845)
As do employers, so I fail to see your point.
Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by TheCoelacanth on Thursday December 06, 2018 @12:37AM (#18615690)
> Right to Work laws say that workers can't be forced to join a union.

They say no such thing. They say that companies can't form agreements to exclusively hire union workers. They outlaw essentially non-competes in the opposite direction. A non-compete agreement binds a worker to exclusivity with a company. The agreements outlawed by right-to-work laws bind companies to exclusivity with a union.

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by vonmoltke on Thursday December 06, 2018 @09:40AM (#18618355)
I'm confused about the distinction. How can a worker be forced to join a union in the absence of an agreement between the company and the union to only hire union workers?

If you are thinking of "closed shops", companies where the union has a security agreement with the company and the union is free to deny membership to a person (thereby denying them employment), those were deemed illegal everywhere under US federal labor law.

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by TheCoelacanth on Friday December 07, 2018 @02:11AM (#18625708)
> I'm confused about the distinction. How can a worker be forced to join a union in the absence of an agreement between the company and the union to only hire union workers?

A worker can't be forced to join a union even in the presence of such an agreement. The company simply agreed not to hire them if they don't join.

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by vonmoltke on Friday December 07, 2018 @08:59AM (#18627648)
I feel like you are playing semantics here. "Forced to join a union" in this discussion is in the context of "in order to get a job at Company X". Of course this worker is free to forego employment at Company X if they don't like the terms of the employment. However, one of those terms forces the worker to join a particular union.

Taken to its logical conclusion, this semantic distinction could be used to justify eliminating just about any worker protection currently on the books.

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by MrStonedOne on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @08:05PM (#18614465)
Right to work laws say you have to a right to work or not work.

That is why they are called right to work laws, and this is why the parent is making that observation, as NCA's are antithetical to right to work.

Maybe trying reading in to things a bit more rather then jumping to the wrong conclusion?

Re:Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages by captainperl on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @11:31PM (#18615422)
> Right to work laws say you have to a right to work or not work.

No, they mean employees have a choice to join a union or not (ie. pay union dues or not.)

In other words, they're a legal tool to weaken unions by reducing their membership and revenue.