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Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by jostmey on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:13PM (#18603209)
Until I read about actual punishments being handed out, I'm skeptical that China will actually enforce rules on intellectual property theft.
Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by rhizome on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:48PM (#18603461)
To be fair, China is a signatory to all of the major copyright treaties of the past 60+ years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_internation...

Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by reaperducer on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:18PM (#18603683)
To be fair, China is a signatory to all of the major copyright treaties of the past 60+ years.

And I clicked on "I Accept" on hundreds of EULAs. That doesn't mean I'm going to abide by the terms I "agreed" to.

Because of its manufacturing sector, China can sign onto whatever it wants and still not enforce the rules. What are the other signatories going to do? Make iPhones in Brussels?

Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by sanxiyn on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @09:25PM (#18605252)
Samsung makes its phones in Vietnam just fine. I think Apple should follow if it can.
Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by yostrovs on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:20PM (#18603268)
At the very least it'll be another item to fear the government over, as things like this can be used in the future against you.

I agree with you that it won't foster a positive IP system. In China, instead, it will create more avenues for graft and retribution.

Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by scotty79 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:31PM (#18603334)
> positive IP system

No such thing exists in any country.

Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by weberc2 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:47PM (#18603447)
Citation?
Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by yobrien on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:48PM (#18603466)
How can he prove something doesn't exist? You'd have to show an example it does exist. Or they'd have to list every system and show why it's not positive.
Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by weberc2 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @05:41PM (#18604208)
I'm not expecting a mathematical proof; just trying to understand what he means by "positive" and how he would explain the development of IP law in every successful economy. Surely no reasonable person would state an absolute like this based on _nothing_, right?

> Or they'd have to list every system and show why it's not positive.

Again, I asked for a citation, not original work. If no one has found a good IP law system (for some value of "good") then surely some economist or IP law specialist has written a paper surveying the landscape, right? If this were not the case, it would be extraordinary!

Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by muro on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:22PM (#18603282)
Another tool for selective enforcement
Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by baq on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @03:56PM (#18603527)
i expect foreigners to be punished for stealing china's original IP.
Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by empath75 on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:12PM (#18603642)
I'm not entirely convinced that they should

All the great western powers became so based on "stolen" intellectual property, including a great deal from China. It makes no sense for China or any other developing country to commit to such a regime until they're doing it as an equal partner.

Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by reaperducer on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:19PM (#18603686)
All the great western powers became so based on "stolen" intellectual property

All the great western powers also believe that two wrongs don't make a right.

Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by coliveira on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:41PM (#18603821)
Oh, they do. Just look at the response given to terrorism: endless wars.
Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by Gustomaximus on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:32PM (#18605698)
I suspect they will enforce a few high profile cases for meaningless products like fashion labels, and then ignore any strategically important industries citing lack of proof, or limited punishments where there is clear proof.

Trump pushing China like this is one of the better points things about his presidency (obviously opinion only). I really hope he doesn't put down his cards based on a few unlikely to be enforced points (or generally limited value) so he can tweet how he made a deal and how great he is.

Re:China Announces Punishments for Intellectual-Property Theft by djrobstep on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:28PM (#18603746)
Let's call intellectual property what it really is in this context: rich countries demanding that less rich countries give them money.

That fact that expropriation of wealth from countries and regions that already have less is the status quo economically, doesn't make it any less obscene or immoral.