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Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by ASalazarMX on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:08PM (#18591839)
I knew pro-anorexia groups use slang like "your friend Ana" to hide their actions, but had to google "thinspo" and "meanspo".

Thinspo (thin inspiration) is positive anorexia reinforcement, like anorexic role model pictures.

Meanspo (mean inspiration) is negative anorexia reinforcement, like aphorisms demonizing fat or destructive critic.

Why are young girls so vulnerable to mental disease trends? What can we do better as a society to strengthen the resilience of kids?

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by megy on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:21PM (#18593748)
> Why are young girls so vulnerable to mental disease trends?

Are you serious? Have you heard of qanon, anti-vax, scientology, pyrmaid schemes? We all are vulnerable to this stuff.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by wpietri on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:31PM (#18593815)
I know this is getting downvoted, but the odds are very good that we each believe something that future generations will correctly see as obviously idiotic. History is just full of things where large fractions of society were wrong. It seems extremely unlikely that this is the moment in history where that stops.

I think it's fair to say that kids are more vulnerable, though, for the same reason that they also get physically sick more. Immune systems develop through exposure, and they just haven't had as much exposure.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by iamdave on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:53PM (#18593965)
History is just full of things where large fractions of society were wrong.

It's sometimes really hard to appreciate how much a moment in time affects the long-tail of history when you're living in it.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by ot8 on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:10PM (#18593054)
| Thinspo (thin inspiration) is positive anorexia reinforcement, like anorexic role model pictures.

Thinspo was originally "thin and sporty" (Thin+Spo) and promoted a super healthy and physically fit lifestyle and positive choices.

Over time it has been co-opted by those with deeply negative body image issues, and those with anorexia fetishes.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by washadjeffmad on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:31PM (#18593287)
I'm not asking for a specific source, but how do you know this?

I've just heard people saying it as 'in-SPO-ration' for so long that a -spo suffix seems more intuitively to be a truncation of -spiration.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by namlem on Monday December 03, 2018 @07:57PM (#18594835)
Boys instead fall into other toxic communities, like incels.

The youtuber ContraPoints made a great video about such communities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD2briZ6fB0

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by jimmy1 on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:35PM (#18592679)
You have highlighted a key distinction here, but proceeded to go back to "kids" but I wanted to highlight something that the US HHS found when studying the gender differences between bullying and that is girls tend to experience victimization in the form of sexual harrassment or emotional aggression where as boys were more likely to be victimized physically. Whether nor not this leads credence to any sort of gender theory, or how girls and boys are stereotyped or whatever you want to infer, there are real measurable differences between the type of toxicity found through online bullying or in person bullying, and for girls it does tend to be something emotional (think "ew you're fat, you should just stay home", "ew why are you wearing that", "ew you look like such a pig") versus boys where it tends to be physical threats of violence (think "I'm going to beat your ass", "give me all your lunch money fatty or you'll pay")
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by derefr on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:37PM (#18592150)
> Why are young girls so vulnerable to mental disease trends?

Nothing to do with young girls in particular, nor "mental disease" in particular.

Adolescents are constantly trying to find some axis along which they can excel/stand out, in a way that gives them societal power. (They're trying to "win", without really caring what it is they're winning at. They're just aware that right now they're not winning along any axis, and that has to change.)

For women specifically, being beautiful is one thing you can "win" at that can give you power.

Now, separately, anorexia can happen to anyone—recent research has suggested it's a sort of dual to obesity, another way the ventromedial hypothalamic nucleus (VMN) can become deregulated and cease to output the correct signal in response to fluctuations in leptin levels. For obesity, that makes people eat when they're "full" (because they don't feel full); for anorexia and bulemia, that makes people not-eat when they're "hungry" (because they don't feel hungry, and do feel disgusted/nauseous at the idea of eating more just like someone who's already stuffed full would.)

Like obesity, anorexia isn't necessarily genetic, but rather seems to be a disordered "state" that the brain can get into, which means that it potentially has environmental "triggers", even if it's purely a neurohormonal problem from that point forward. Some scientists hypothesize obesity as being the result of "re-training" your brain by forcibly exceeding your calorie budget. Anorexia is hypothesized similarly: "re-training" by forcibly starving yourself.

So: take teenage girls who want to "cultivate beauty" in order to gain social power. Some of them think they need to be thinner in order to be more beautiful. At this point, they're okay. After dieting, some are still okay. For others—perhaps the ones who saw the largest gains in social power from their loss of weight—something in their brain breaks a bit, and now they can't eat regular amounts of food any more without feeling sick.

Note that that could have happened to anyone, at any time, who decided to go on a diet. We don't understand exactly what makes people more "vulnerable" to anorexia, but adolescents aren't especially vulnerable. Teenage girls are just more likely to be people who are trying to diet for the first time, and therefore are more likely to be triggering and exposing an underlying vulnerability to anorexia for the first time—which we end up describing as "developing" anorexia.

Compare also: the guys who obsessively lift weights to gain muscle mass—because "cultivating your physique" is social power for teenage/college-aged boys—but then, once they start, their "unfitness" becomes a self-image problem, and they can never be happy with how they look, no matter how "ripped" they get.

Compare also: the development of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. People find that "cultivating a charismatic public image" gives them social power, but then become unable to stop optimizing their public image, even to the point that they habitually lie to their loved ones to present every action in the best possible light.

I feel like there's some unifying neurological principle to how these disorders develop, though I've never heard one suggested.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by tedsanders on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:53PM (#18593476)
There is evidence that it's gendered. One example is that hospital admissions for self-harm are higher for girls than boys. It's also going up for girls and not going up for boys. See figures 1 and 2 of: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/26640...
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by wpietri on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:33PM (#18593831)
That reminds me that The Economist had some interesting material on suicide rates recently: https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2018/11/30/...

In some countries there has been a huge fall in the suicide rate for women. It seems to be correlated with increasing opportunity and independence.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by IfOnlyYouKnew on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:36PM (#18593856)
Check the statistics of hospital admissions for being harmed by others, check the perpetrators, and you'll find the boys missing from your statistic.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by autokad on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:35PM (#18592672)
> Why are young girls so vulnerable to mental disease trends?"

all kids are vulnerable. maybe girls are more sheltered? and..

> "What can we do better as a society to strengthen the resilience of kids?"

stop sheltering them, let them fail.

i am still a little pissed at pink floyd. i get what they are railing against, but yes, yes I do need an education. i nearly took that too literally when i was a kid.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by api on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:26PM (#18592057)
It's not a gender thing. Young people in general are vulnerable to all kinds of negative groupthink because they don't have a fully formed identity, experience, or adult critical thinking skills. The nature of the toxic material seems to differ a bit by gender.

Loads of teen boys are sucked into toxic online cults too including neo-Naziism, extreme misogyny, other kinds of toxic political radicalism, gaming addiction, self-help cults, etc.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by ASalazarMX on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:30PM (#18592100)
I think you hit the nail in the head. Kids (and many grownups) are very vulnerable to groupthink, The only solution I see is encouraging common sense through critical thinking.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by IfOnlyYouKnew on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:03PM (#18593569)
Considering most of these groups rally around conspiracy theories, which by definition start from a position of questioning commonly accepted facts (i. e. "critical thinking"), maybe we have actually gone too far with the critical thinking?
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by api on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:26PM (#18593784)
We teach the idea of critical thinking but not the intellectual disciplines of doing it honestly and effectively.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by ASalazarMX on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:38PM (#18593874)
It could be taught in schools, but it has to be taught at home too, by example. I wonder if enough parents would be willing to let their kids question something as basic as their religion and indoctrination?
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by ASalazarMX on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:34PM (#18593839)
> maybe we have actually gone too far with the critical thinking?

No, because it would be something else than critical thinking. It's like the scientific method, where you can't dismiss any possibility, unlikely as it be, but pursue the most likely explanations first.

Conspiracy theories bizarrely pursue the least likely explanation. Granted, this explanation might be real, but until new data arrives (Assange, Snowden, Manning, etc.) it can't outweigh the simpler ones.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by tedsanders on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:00PM (#18593540)
There is evidence that it's gendered. One example is that hospital admissions for self-harm are higher for girls than boys. It's also going up for girls and not going up for boys. See figures 1 and 2 of: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/26640...
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by IfOnlyYouKnew on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:24PM (#18593769)
Check the statistics of hospital admissions for being harmed by others, check the perpetrators, and you'll find the boys missing from your statistic.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by tedsanders on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:55PM (#18593987)
I couldn't find those stats - could you please share your source with us?

I was able to find stats on violent crime by youth (mostly boys), and unlike self harm by girls, the rates of serious violent crime have been trending down for years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/477466/number-of-serious...

In any case, there is a clear gendered difference in the average behavior of girls and boys.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by ConceptJunkie on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:09PM (#18593639)
And groupthink is orders of magnitude more powerful in the era of social media.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by IfOnlyYouKnew on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:55PM (#18593484)
I love how your comment is being downvoted for the heresy of suggesting there is something wrong with neo-nazis or /r/incels.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by api on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:24PM (#18593764)
4chan is a cult with a lot of traction among mostly male technical types.

There are lots of online cults though, not just on the chans. Tumblr is particularly bad. Lots of little Borg minds looking to assimilate young novelty.