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Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by pdimitar on Monday December 03, 2018 @01:20PM (#18591323)
If Verizon bought Tumblr with the sole purpose of having one more service to serve ads to, and if banning the adult content move aims to please the advertisers then oh boy, are they in for a nasty surprise.

Tumblr will become a ghost town in days.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by nickthegreek on Monday December 03, 2018 @01:26PM (#18591393)
Agreed. So many artists, photographers and models used tumblr to showcase their work. It was also easy to link your blog to a .com with little to no webdev experience.

The only other social media network out there with a following that allows near the same level of expression is twitter and I have already seen posts from artists directing their followers there. But twitter is no real substitute to what tumblr offered.

I imagine tumblr's bandwidth costs are going to shrink exponentially.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by pmiller2 on Monday December 03, 2018 @08:50PM (#18595177)
DeviantArt is a good alternative.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by kijin on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:37PM (#18595584)
+1 for DeviantArt. Many artists and models already use it, the community is generally tolerant of unconventional modes of expression, and the platform is designed to be able to handle "explicit" (by U.S. standards) content in a fairly straightforward way.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by angled on Monday December 03, 2018 @10:17PM (#18595841)
I started using tumblr for a photoblog several years ago for the simple fact that it wasn't blocked by the Great Firewall of China. All the FB properties, and most other western platforms, were / are blocked. It meant I could post and view while on either side.

Perhaps Verizon is gearing up to market it there?

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by debaserab2 on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:38PM (#18592706)
I'd say instagram is the other big one for artists, not twitter. Instagram has all the functionality of tumblr with even more accessibility.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by nickthegreek on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:10PM (#18593045)
I've known several photographers who have lost 25k, 100k+ followings by being banned from instagram for posts that did not break the ToS. This has been devastating to their careers as freelance artists. I wouldn't recommend leaving a more tolerant platform (tumblr) to put all your eggs in a FB owned basket. With instagram, it all seems to depend on who the mod is who got assigned the reported photo to look at. Many of these artists now run a backup instagram and promote it on their primary account about once every 2 weeks to keep a solid follower count on it in case their main gets the hammer.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by code_duck on Thursday December 06, 2018 @12:27PM (#18620082)
Same with all sorts of legal cannabis business related pages. I see a lot of seed companies, dispensaries, culture/meme accounts with fallback accounts and bios saying ‘deleted at 25k...’, etcetera. It’s the same situation as consumers have long faced with Facebook, Twitter, Etsy and so forth - they don’t seem to care that other people invest time and money in their accounts, which the company tosses aside so easily.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by pmarreck on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:22PM (#18595451)
Class-action lawsuit grounds?
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by wukerplank on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:48PM (#18592811)
Except for some very fundamental things (AKA "link in bio").

But yes, most artists I know moved away from Tumblr years ago (with great success).

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by fl0wenol on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @01:33AM (#18596882)
I hope not... Instagram has terrible usability if you don't have a Facebook account and/or don't want to install the app on mobile. Tumblr was at least tolerable in that scenario.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by wishinghand on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:01PM (#18595282)
But none of the permissiveness that old Tumblr had. I believe the new TOS for tumblr are still more liberal than the ones for current Instagram.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by kijin on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:43PM (#18595620)
There were artists showcasing their work, but there were also a lot of accounts simply distributing someone else's explicit pictures without the copyright holder's permission. They didn't even have their own .com because they obviously benefited from being served under a subdomain of tumblr. I won't miss them at all.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by namlem on Monday December 03, 2018 @07:47PM (#18594767)
Reddit has user pages now. It's a bit rough, but it can pretty much fill tumblr's functionality.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by nerdponx on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:06AM (#18597707)
I'm already seeing posts on various NSFW Subreddits like "Tumblr banned me so here I am".
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by ThePadawan on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @06:31AM (#18598450)
The trifecta I saw many people post was Twitter/Discord/Reddit moreso than DeviantArt.

I assume DeviantArt is only focussed on images themselves, and doesn't allow mixing media as trivially as the others, but would love to be corrected.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by TremendousJudge on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @09:37AM (#18599710)
I'm pretty sure that the issue with DA is that they fell behind the times, the social features are pretty bad and so on.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by yellowbuilding on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @01:45AM (#18596932)
As a photographer who does not care much for using nudity in my photos, this is no problem to me. But yeah, I think you’re right.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by lihaciudaniel on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @02:25AM (#18597101)
Can you elaborate? Are you doing it for a living? How did tumblr help you marked your local business (if any)? Thank you
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by Nasrudith on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:07PM (#18593607)
They always make the same boneheaded mistake with media. People go to a platform because it has what they want. There is something very minutely controversial that nobody in the target market gives a flip about anyway. Therefore now that we spent all this money getting it we should make it bland and advertiser friendly like what everbody alreafy left and hey where did everybody go again?

I just don't get how that keeps on happening when it doesn't seem to be even a good short-termist move.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by pdimitar on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @06:03AM (#18598280)
I would guess they will lure in a lot of advertisers, utilizing reputation and marketing -- and that will be a good short-term profit for Verizon.

Whether they'll hold on to it and make it a sustainable income however, is unclear. I personally doubt it because a huge chunk of the Tumblr user base will leave.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by chipotle_coyote on Monday December 03, 2018 @08:11PM (#18594917)
While "Tumblr is for porn" seems to be received wisdom, let me play devil's advocate (angel's advocate?): most of us are just taking that for granted without digging in.

In 2016, Motherboard actually did the digging, and discovered a few interesting numbers, categorizing 130M Tumblr users into "producers" of porn, "consumers" (those who follow the producers), and "unintentionally exposed" users who don't follow porn producers but see reblogs from them.

* Only about 1% of users are producers. * About 22% of Tumblr users are consumers. * About 28% of Tumblr users are unintentionally exposed.

So, what happens?

* Obviously, they lose the producers. * They lose some of the consumers, but not all. (Not all of the consumers are there exclusively for porn.) * They lose some of the unintentionally exposed, but probably not most.

They may lose a quarter or more of their userbase this way, sure, but Tumblr's estimates a few years ago for their total user count were over 200M. Maybe that drops down to "only" 150M, or even 100M. But now their hosting costs have dropped dramatically, too. So if advertising revenue increases or even stays the same as it is now, they win. And 100M users is absolutely a big enough audience to bring in advertisers.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by zanny on Monday December 03, 2018 @11:19PM (#18596214)
The problem is that the lack of content moderation was largely a selling point for the platform. Without explicit material its basically Instragram without Facebook owning it and with a worse UI.

It might be slow but if you have no strong reason to be on Tumblr besides everyone having been on Tumblr you will see a slowly building migration away from Tumblr.

And losing 1/4 the user base overnight is a great way to kick off that migration. It only takes one blog in a web of follows jumping ship to motivate all the other producers and the fans of that blog and its related blogs to move to alternatives.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by rmc on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @02:58PM (#18603092)
> It only takes one blog in a web of follows jumping ship to motivate all the other producers and the fans of that blog and its related blogs to move to alternatives.

Perhaps this is a neglected downside. By banning porn you will turn a part of your platform into advertisments for your compeditors. Every post from a popular person saying "I'm moving to X" is an advert for X on your platform.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @01:14PM (#18602039)
That's probably the biggest risk, yes: a big drop, followed by a slow decline. (Sort of the opposite of the "gradually, and then suddenly" line.)

I suspect the bottom line comes down to the bottom line, though; Tumblr has spent over a decade being a pit that absorbs money, and Verizon is not the kind of company that's going to run a service like that as an experiment. They're making a bet that kicking off the pronz will increase ad revenue, and I'm sure they have projections to back that bet up. That doesn't mean the projections are right, of course, but I don't see how a money-losing Tumblr would have continued under Oath. If this bet doesn't work and they shut it down, everyone will say "ha, we told you that you shouldn't have kicked off the pronz," but the pronz ain't never brought in the bucks for them, and we can safely assume "explicitly set out to monetize the pronz" was never in the cards.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by pdimitar on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @10:39AM (#18600335)
I know I'll stay in Tumblr for sure. I was never there for the good erotic / pornographic content anyway, I just found it a good bonus. I found a number of very good creators of pixel art which is a personal favourite, and a ton of good home design blogs. I love all these and I'll keep following them in Tumblr.

However, now it's very likely that I'll find a mediating app -- or I'll be scraping my own feed -- to avoid the inevitable increased influx of advertisements so Verizon will still lose that possible income from me. I suspect many others will take similar measures (less known apps like Tyblr in iOS for example rid you of ads and make your feed sorted by timestamp and not by an "algorithm").

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by Mindwipe on Monday December 03, 2018 @08:45PM (#18595135)
Motherboard's methodolgy is highly dubious.

There are former Tumblr staff members on Twitter saying it will lose 50% of the userbase. Losing 50% of the userbase will unquestionably kill the site stone dead.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by AznHisoka on Monday December 03, 2018 @01:22PM (#18591352)
It was practically the only thing worth visiting Tumblr for!
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by WilliamEdward on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:56PM (#18592311)
That and fan fiction - which mostly has porn in it anyway
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by flukus on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:52PM (#18593955)
Hopefully it will all move back to traditional gallery and forum sites that don't have tumblrs horrendous "what's a tab" UI and don't slow my 8 core 16GB of RAM machine to a halt.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by nine_k on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:38PM (#18592152)
It looks like a perfect moment to announce a replacement service, complete with a one-click content transfer tool.

Something $3/mo, $30/y — and we'll save all your precious work without hassle! Could work for a significant portion of the audience.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by bpp on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:00PM (#18592340)
Huge market opportunity for OnlyFans.com and similar Patreon-for-porn sites.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by qwerty456127 on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:53PM (#18592278)
Don't you happen to know any alternatives BTW?
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by Max_Mustermann on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:03PM (#18592382)
Some people on Reddit are recommending Pixiv, a Japanese site.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by jchw on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:07PM (#18593605)
Pixiv is also a cool company. I don't want to speak too much for fear of messing up some of their story but they're basically a bit like Japanese deviantArt. They've open sourced some small parts of their code: https://github.com/pixiv

As far as content goes, it is constrained by Japanese law, which is mostly more liberal around art with the exception of their oddly specific yet vague censorship requirements.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by mikekchar on Monday December 03, 2018 @07:07PM (#18594525)
Complete tangent, but Japan never had any censorship rules before WWII. When the Americans occupied Japan they imposed some laws to help rebuild the country. You can debate whether the laws were good or not. For example, there are many laws around farming geared to ensure that small independent farmers could survive and that Japan would rebuild its food infrastructure (which it kind of abandoned before the war, preferring to import food from outside the country). They banned the sale of farmland (so that big companies couldn't buy up all the land). They banned the import of "staple foods" (so that the country could become self sufficient in agriculture). And with the 1940's American view of wholesome society, they imposed censorship requirements on pornography (among a lot of other strange things).

Japanese culture has a very strange aspect to it, though. It is a rule following culture and they don't readily change the rules. Once you have a law for something, people don't question it. It's the law. It doesn't matter if it's a good law or a bad law. It's just the law and you make do. None of those laws changed in 70 years and unless some outside force puts pressure on the government, I suspect they won't change for another 70 years.

I always find it amusing that Americans, especially, complain about protectionist agriculture policies of Japan. Or American pundits show surprise at the really bizarre censorship laws. All of it was put in place by the Americans -- albeit probably without realising that once a law is in place, it's gong to be there for a long time :-) This is American culture fast forwarded in time 70 years!

WRT to the liberal laws regarding art... well, generally about what constitutes child pornography: if you are drawing something you have pretty much free reign to draw whatever you like. This is (IMHO humorously) constrained by the specific censorship laws (I suppose the 1940's American occupying forces did not consider child pornography). Artists will follow the letter of the law, but then will feel free to draw whatever they want outside of those boundaries.

I believe this is due to a very strong feeling in Japan that what you think is private and up to you. Even discrimination is famously not illegal in Japan. For example, you are free to serve or not to serve any customer for any reason in Japan. It's a pretty big deal for most people. Remember that before the war Japan had no censorship laws. You could depict anything you wanted in art. The current state of affairs is just an extension of that, tiptoeing around the censorship laws imposed by the occupying forces in the 1940's.

Child pornography is reviled here in Japan to pretty much the same extent that it is anywhere I have ever lived (as well as art that depicts rape, or other violent sexual crimes). However, if you draw it rather than photograph it, it is not illegal. If it doesn't involve anyone other than the artist and the viewer, it's nobody's business but theirs. Talking about it publicly is completely not acceptable in normal society, but thinking about it is your own business (even though most people will privately judge if they think you are the kind of person who is interested in that stuff -- but again, that thinking is private and not expressed publicly).

I'm always hesitant to talk about this stuff on a public forum because I don't want to incite a large thread about what should or should not be classed as child pornography. It's one of those things where no matter what opinion you hold, you are going to be seen as a monster by people who hold a different opinion. I just thought people would be interested in some information about why the rules are so strange in Japan.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by kalleboo on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:45PM (#18595633)
> Japan never had any censorship rules before WWII

This is not true. The obscenity censorship law dates back to 1907, and the enforcement of it for erotic content was also completely detatched from the occupation. https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/4pss4u/why_is_porn_i...

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by mikekchar on Monday December 03, 2018 @10:23PM (#18595880)
Thanks for that. It's frustrating to make mistakes like that -- especially since I do my best to remove common misunderstandings about Japan. I'm as vulnerable as the rest :-( I really appreciate getting better information!
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by kalleboo on Wednesday December 05, 2018 @09:50AM (#18608622)
Yeah I used to believe the same factoid until I was corrected. Lots of stuff like that swirling around.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by jchw on Monday December 03, 2018 @07:10PM (#18594547)
I've always heard that Japan's form of censorship was actually a means to help control and eliminate illegally produced pornography. Also, personally I've always held the belief that a drawing is just a drawing, and it is bizarre for it in itself to be considered obscene regardless of what it depicts. Of course, the actual law is a lot more complicated in pretty much every jurisdiction.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by stevenicr on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @08:18AM (#18599138)
AdultsOnlySpace and sexchatsexchat.com/peeps/ have options for creating your own site / blog there, so long as all content has everyone over 18.

Certainly there are other wordpress multi-site powered adult options still out there.

If tumblr keeps the API oAuth stuff working for NSFA blogs then it's simple to import. Hopefully content will still remain available via backend and API past the 17th for blog admins.

A backup, auto-export service would be nice for end users and connected friends / followers, from tumblr, or wordpress or other platforms. You can never trust your content hosted on other people's computers. (or your own for that matter without a good off site backup system in place)

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by oyeanuj on Monday December 03, 2018 @10:38PM (#18595964)
We're building Shuffle which isn't a direct replacement but is designed to be a home for your interests. We've had a lot of folks come from Tumblr today. You can check us out at https://shuffle.do
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by qwerty456127 on Thursday December 06, 2018 @10:22PM (#18624896)
Seems interesting. I'll give it a try. Can one user create multiple channels there? E.g. I'd like a main SFW channel to post different stuff and some subject-specific including one to SFW post on particular "innocent" subject of my interests and another NSFW to post what I happen to consider the best of nude girls pictures I stumble upon.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by joe_the_user on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:59PM (#18593530)
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by qwerty456127 on Monday December 03, 2018 @05:16PM (#18593709)
Isn't it about "kinky" stuff only? I have nothing against it yet I personally am more interested in "normal" :-] porn, erotic and nudity aesthetics pictures, not themed any special way.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by duxup on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:56PM (#18592317)
It seems strange to own Tumblr... and then reject a large chunk of it.

Why even own it then?

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by zimpenfish on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:51PM (#18592829)
They ended up with it accidentally, didn't they? As part of owning Yahoo! (which owned Tumbler).
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by zanny on Monday December 03, 2018 @11:21PM (#18596228)
Yahoo bought Tumblr for completely irrational reasons years ago and it became dead weight.

Of course now they can't split it back off to live on its own - they'll just kill it instead.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by jpetso on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @04:35PM (#18603782)
Actually, why can't they? Could someone explain the executive thinking behind this hesitation?
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by zanny on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @07:36PM (#18604815)
Its career suicide to sell off a property that ends up successful once independent of your business.

Nobody thinks twice about burning something to the ground, though. Thats just a cost of doing business.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by duxup on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @09:47AM (#18599812)
Seems like such a waste.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by dhimes on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:59PM (#18592336)
This news also seems relevant to the Net Neutrality fight. Once Verizon feels they have to protect us from harmful images or thoughts, where will it stop?
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by corvos on Monday December 03, 2018 @06:49PM (#18594399)
not so much about protecting us as making sure that the content that advertisers get shown next to is "safe" and "brand friendly"
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by dhimes on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @08:36AM (#18599258)
Indeed. I should have put "protecting us" in quotes.
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by porpoisely on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:04PM (#18595314)
I don't think verizon had any interest in tumblr to begin with. Tumblr was just property that came with their purchase of Yahoo. Also verizon is a $250 billion company. Tumblr and it's potential ad revenue is a rounding error to them.

Usually when a large company buys another company with lots of properties, they invest in the ones they like and shut down the ones they don't like and write off the losses. I haven't read of any news about verizon investing in Tubmlr so this seems like verizon slowly shutting down tumblr.

Should be interesting what their plans for other yahoo properties. They shut down yahoo messenger. What are their plans for yahoo portal, news, sports, finance, etc?

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by pdimitar on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:26PM (#18595480)
Fair enough but why don't they just straight shut it down?

I don't understand the need for such PR dances. Nobody believes the carefully crafted copy-paste statement of the CEO anyway.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by porpoisely on Monday December 03, 2018 @09:37PM (#18595588)
There could be a myriad of reasons for slowly shutting down a site. There might be client or advertiser contracts, leasing issues, employment issues and so forth. Of course, customer outrage and mitigation. There might be some value to be extracted from the operation. There may be execs and employees verizon wants to shift over to other divisions and properties over a prolonged stretch of time. They could even be looking for potential buyers to sell the property.

I don't know that is what verizon is doing. It's just an educated guess on my part. As for the specifics, I'm sure the execs looked at all the data and they are doing what they feel is in the best interest of the shareholders.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by pdimitar on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @11:44AM (#18601042)
Thank you for the good perspective. Sorry if I seemed like I was raging.

My guess is somewhat aligned with yours albeit a bit more cynical -- I think they will try to exctract a stable advertisement revenue channel out of Tumblr but I don't think it will last.

And yeah, you are likely more right -- they mitigate the PR damage and try to prevent staff leaving in droves, plus maximizing shareholder value.

Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by jrs95 on Monday December 03, 2018 @01:21PM (#18591342)
Well, the "otherkin" will probably still be there, so I guess if anyone wants to market to them..
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by tazjin on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:16PM (#18591926)
By the time they're old enough to purchase things online they probably won't be using Tumblr anymore ...
Re:Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th by pdimitar on Monday December 03, 2018 @02:12PM (#18591882)
Yeah, good luck with that. :D