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Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by jgtrosh on Sunday December 02, 2018 @09:38AM (#18582465)
Isn't this similar to the variable ban that's been in Paris for the past year or so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air
Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by antpls on Sunday December 02, 2018 @04:33PM (#18584683)
Worst than particle pollution on a day-to-day basis is the noise pollution. Big/Sport motor bikes and car horns should really be regulated inside cities, they make everything more stressful.

They installed a new sound on public buses, which sounds like a nice old bell and is less noisy than the usual car horn. It should exist on all cars.

Seriously, no one gives a f* than someone is stuck in traffic, and yet it alerts everyone on a 200 meters radius, which is many people in a city's density.

Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by kweks on Sunday December 02, 2018 @12:18PM (#18583232)
And yet inexplicably 2 stroke scooters / bikes are still legal, which contribute the most air and noise pollution.

Still can't wrap my head around that.

Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by briandear on Sunday December 02, 2018 @12:39PM (#18583353)
Those 2-strokes are a menace. That they didn’t ban those demonstrates that the Paris “ban” is just political posturing rather than a desire for actual improvements. Not only are 2-strokes heavy polluters, they are the noisiest vehicles on the street.
Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by walshemj on Sunday December 02, 2018 @04:42PM (#18584739)
I thought they where all banned in the EU for several years now certainly the last vespa 2 stroke was seems to have been made in 2005.
Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by lstodd on Sunday December 02, 2018 @06:17PM (#18585208)
Well, you know, my vespa 50s from 1972 is still almost as good as new.

1990s 50cc japanese scooters are indestructible, esp. Hondas, as are later, early-2000s Yamaha/MBK 100cc models. They are not going anywhere until there appears a 80 kg, 12" wheel electric model that can go 100km on a single charge and carry two people at a cruise speed of 70-80 km/h. And charge from zero in at most 15 minutes.

I love the smell of burning 2T oil in the morning.

Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by walshemj on Monday December 03, 2018 @08:07PM (#18594885)
But your probably a scoterist who lovingly maintains and restores classic Vespa's and Lambrettas and only rides them in good weather.

I believe the expensive version on the electric vespa can do 100km

Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by dzhiurgis on Monday December 03, 2018 @04:49AM (#18587546)
> They are not going anywhere until there appears ...

Check NIU, they are getting close.

Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by jondumbau on Sunday December 02, 2018 @08:14PM (#18585676)
are they actually the noisiest? don't all vehicles have to be measured under the same dB threshold?
Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by TheForumTroll on Sunday December 02, 2018 @02:32PM (#18584042)
Only scooters right? Bikes / motorcycles 2 stroke are dead and gone.
Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by kweks on Sunday December 02, 2018 @04:06PM (#18584557)
Nope, mopeds, bécanes and motorbikes - all still there, and incredibly annoying at 3 am in the morning.
Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by tinco on Sunday December 02, 2018 @11:29AM (#18582960)
Yes, Amsterdam also has it. No diesels from before 2001 I think is the rule. It's going to be implemented in other cities in NL as well. My dad got kind of screwed because he converted an old van into a camper, for traveling around, and now he won't be able to use it to get into cities anymore.

Of course it is objectively a good thing, especially when they implement the export restrictions so they won't all simply be offloaded to Africa.

Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by pxtail on Monday December 03, 2018 @06:11AM (#18587891)
> Of course it is objectively a good thing, especially when they implement the export restrictions so they won't all simply be offloaded to Africa.

Why export restrictions (especially to Africa) is a good thing? I think that it is quite opposite:

* from looking at basic car sales statistics EV are basically non-existent in Africa, there is no infrastructure etc. (apart from fact that almost nobody could afford them)

* 2000-ish cars are usually quite simple to repair, no advanced electronic etc.

* producing new car probably will waste more resources and emit more pollution than using and repairing old one

Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by mercer on Sunday December 02, 2018 @12:52PM (#18583426)
It's already implemented in at least on other city (Utrecht), but only for the city center. As a diesel owner, it's a minor inconvenience whenever I visit the town. Most people I know live outside the zone.
Re:Madrid bans polluting vehicles from city centre by Symbiote on Sunday December 02, 2018 @12:59PM (#18583474)
There's an index to all the European cities with similar restrictions on http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/