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Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by dested on Monday November 26, 2018 @11:29AM (#18534466)
There are a handful of services out there that do this, I know because I've needed it on multiple occasions. It's nice that Amazon is providing it in house now, but it just reminds of me the last time I went to re:invent and walked through the vendor area and thought about how many of these companies are four dev cycles away from Amazon producing a baked in competitor.

Hard to make a B To B Amazon tool these days.

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by bmurphy1976 on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:34PM (#18538205)
I wrote a part of our product, actually invested years in it, that does a certain thing I won't say on Amazon's cloud. One day, Amazon released a competing service that does the same thing.

There was a flaw in our product that had one of our customers pushing to use Amazon's offering. Turns out Amazon's service cost about 4x what it cost us to do it ourselves. It wasn't obvious at the time given Amazon's purposefully obtuse pricing.

Eventually we fixed the bug, brought our customer back in line with the rest, saved some money, and have continued providing this service much cheaper than Amazon. I think it works for us because of a few reasons:

1. The service we offer is challenging enough that most dev teams won't want to do it themselves, they'll outsource it

2. Amazon has little incentive to charge less (see #1), little competition

3. We're small enough that we can still provide that face-to-face level of service and hand holding that's nearly impossible to get from a larger org

Amazon/Microsoft/Google may come into a particular market, but it doesn't automatically imply that they can (or even will) do it better/cheaper/faster.

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by greglindahl on Monday November 26, 2018 @11:50PM (#18539486)
I'm curious if you think that Amazon might have actually improved your business, because now you can offer anyone who buys from Amazon better service & price? If you can find them.
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by scarface74 on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:23PM (#18535557)
Dave Winer:

http://scripting.com/stories/2007/04/04/coexistingWithPlatfo...

Sometimes developers choose a niche that's either directly in the path of the vendor, or even worse, on the roadmap of the vendor. In those cases, they don't really deserve our sympathy. It's almost like a game of PR, there's no way you're not going to have a fight on your hands.

Further discussed by Joel Spolsky

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2009/06/10/platform-vendors/

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by kristianp on Monday November 26, 2018 @09:59PM (#18538969)
Thanks. At the end of Spolsky's article he mentions a way to survive:

"A good platform always has opportunities for applications that aren’t just gap-fillers. These are the kind of application that the vendor is unlikely ever to consider a core feature, usually because it’s vertical — it’s not something everyone is going to want. There is exactly zero chance that Apple is ever going to add a feature to the iPhone for dentists. Zero."

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by scarface74 on Monday November 26, 2018 @10:08PM (#18539007)
Watch next year at WWDC they integrate a feature into HealthKit that uses the FaceID sensors to tell if you have cavities.....
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by ryanSrich on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:29PM (#18535626)
That’s quite literally AWS’s playbook. Fill the vendor hall with tech, learn it, see what sticks and then crush it.

This is why I’m bullish on cloud agnostic tech. These practices don’t typically fair well in the enterprise space. This is why companies like MSFT are interesting to me. They partner and rarely kill. Amazon is the complete opposite.

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by benologist on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:40PM (#18535706)
You can't even sell merchandise on Amazon without significant risk they will like your numbers enough to muscle you out:

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics/b?node=10112675011

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by clubm8 on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:52PM (#18535799)
I've found anything more complex than an adapter or cable to be of inferior quality with Amazon Basics, and rarely buy those options anymore.
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by degenerate on Monday November 26, 2018 @03:27PM (#18536498)
The mini condenser microphones are actually REALLY good and on par with Yeti and other $100+ mics.

https://smile.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Desktop-Mini-Condenser...

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by copperx on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:30PM (#18544425)
According to reviews that's a lowly electret microphone capsule ($1) in a big housing. For podcasting you want a directional microphone. In defense of electrets, they sound great, but pick up everything.

The shape of the microphone suggests it's a directional microphone (and if you read the reviews, people think it is directional). That's perhaps not a scam, but certainly deceptive.

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by wiredfool on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:59PM (#18535844)
Their low discharge nimh batteries were/are pretty good for the money. Though, most of mine are old, so I don’t have good current data on the quality.
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by hobofan on Monday November 26, 2018 @04:40PM (#18537052)
Even apart from AmazonBasics, if you've found established a niche product that sells well as a merchant on Amazon, you can be sure that Amazon will swoop in and undercut you ASAP.
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by the_arun on Monday November 26, 2018 @03:01PM (#18536304)
Ikea as a Service!
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by pritambaral on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:46PM (#18535750)
> They partner and rarely kill.

How the times have changed.

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by toyg on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:24PM (#18538139)
Who can forget "don't let the haircut fool you, i'm exceedingly wealthy": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H27rfr59RiE
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by liotier on Monday November 26, 2018 @03:52PM (#18536699)
They would kill if they could... And Amazon wouldn't if they were weaker.
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by Spooky23 on Monday November 26, 2018 @05:17PM (#18537338)
I wouldn’t count on that. These hyperscale players don’t have the time to worry about their “friends”.

Example: Do you really think that the warm embrace of VMware Horizon and Citrix on Azure is the beginning of a long and fruitful relationship?

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by ryanSrich on Monday November 26, 2018 @05:28PM (#18537433)
That’s a fair point, but I would look to specific markets instead of tech to see where AWS and Amazon might run into issues.

Specifically within healthcare. You think large Pharma companies will use AWS after the pill pocket acquisition? Do you think once Amazon.com starts listing prosthetics large life sciences companies will run on AWS? What about providers? Do you think health systems will choose AWS as their cloud once Amazon launches their version of KP?

I don’t see Azure or GCP getting into these specific markets.

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by Spooky23 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @08:36AM (#18542130)
I would agree that it's unlikely that Google or Microsoft will start making prosthetics -- although they could spin GCP or Azure off into other corporate entities or operators who did someday.

More likely would be that Google, Amazon, Microsoft and some affiliated company would be competing in a space where telemetry from something like a prosthetic was reporting information that had some value.

In any situation, the downside of renting something is that you lose control. It is something that you need to think about and incorporate into your business strategy in some scenarios.

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by scarface74 on Monday November 26, 2018 @09:32PM (#18538840)
Do you see Netflix hosting their entire infrastructure on AWS after Amazon released Amazon Video.....
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by oh-kumudo on Monday November 26, 2018 @07:12PM (#18538049)
TBH such services are super simple to build, low hanging fruit for AWS, you shouldn't really base your business model and livelihood on big player's mercy
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by rodgerd on Monday November 26, 2018 @02:01PM (#18535861)
Amazon are like pre-lawsuit Microsoft and pre-decree IBM: you exist on their platform until you make enough money that they decide that your profit margin is their business opportunity.
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by Godel_unicode on Monday November 26, 2018 @05:26PM (#18537421)
I'm always interested in the selection bias here; Amazon et al do this to plenty of companies that are not using their platform as well. It would be more accurate to say that being an AWS vendor doesn't provide you with added protection from them competing with you.
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by mrkstu on Monday November 26, 2018 @06:21PM (#18537759)
No, you are also directly providing them with metrics if you use their platform- whereas Azure/Google aren't going to turn around and start selling a competing widget if you use their infrastructure.
Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by mikedubc on Thursday December 06, 2018 @11:48AM (#18619637)
My company, Thorn Technologies, has a direct competitor on the AWS Marketplace called SFTP Gateway. We haven't seen any negative impact on sales just yet, probably because our product is much cheaper, and we think better. But only time will tell!

Yeah, this is so typical of AWS to do this, and I know we're not alone.

Re:AWS Transfer for SFTP – Fully Managed SFTP Service for Am... by jiveturkey on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:06AM (#18540169)
i’d say that is what you call an indefensible business. you pays your money and you takes your chances.