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Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by aftbit on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:01PM (#18528690)
I don't understand why Apple isn't getting slapped for only allowing Safari-based browsers in the App Store. I don't understand anti-trust laws that well, but didn't Microsoft settle out of a very similar case related to bundling Media Player and IE with Windows?
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by meepmorp on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:07PM (#18528724)
Microsoft had a monopoly on the desktop OS market, and so pushing IE was anti-competitive. Apple isn’t anywhere near having a monopoly in phones, in the US or anywhere else.

It’s not just the behavior that’s against the law, it’s the behavior plus the market position.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by MBCook on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:10PM (#18529388)
Plus at the time Netscape sold for $$$. MS basically dumped & devalued their market to $0.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by belltaco on Sunday November 25, 2018 @06:31PM (#18529778)
And thus set off the internet revolution without a $$$ barrier to entry.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by MBCook on Sunday November 25, 2018 @07:11PM (#18529958)
Other than the $2000 computer + ISP.

I wasn’t making a judgement on the move, simply pointing out ‘undercut your competitor until they’re broke’ strategy is a classic the government goes after. It wasn’t just that MS had a higher market share.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by nickspag on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:31PM (#18529182)
In addition to the argument others are suggesting, that their market share isn't high enough to qualify, I believe they have also made legal arguments in the past about the sandboxed nature of their platform. I imagine they could also make a convincing argument that it's a feature they sell their customer- one that is at the core of why this requirement exists. They could probably also point to macOS, where they do not have the requirements and the technical environment is different, as support that it's platform-specific related to the sandbox.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by rootusrootus on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:05PM (#18528711)
I expect the substantial difference is that Microsoft's share of the PC market was far closer to a monopoly than Apple's share of the smartphone market is now (about 40% in the U.S.)
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by EGreg on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:21PM (#18529131)
I never understood why 40% is too little to be considered free and clear from monopoly laws. Why not have a smooth gradient
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by rootusrootus on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:41PM (#18529234)
I can't imagine how you would implement such a scheme. For example, forcing Apple to allow non-Safari browsers in the app store is a binary choice, not something you can implement on a gradient. On top of that, market share tends to move around, sometimes a lot, so you would be changing the rules of the game constantly.

40% definitely is low enough to escape scrutiny as a monopoly, in any case. More than half of everyone who buys a smartphone chooses something non-Apple.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by EGreg on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:14PM (#18529408)
So if every top vendor did that, you'd have something like a cartel, except it wouldn't just be high prices, it would be "once you're in our ecosystem, no more interchangeable parts for you, we own the whole stack". It's a bit like feudalism!
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by nradov on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:17PM (#18529426)
Microsoft only got in trouble because they started selling IE as a separate product, then later added it to Windows. If they had just included it as a native Windows "accessory" from the beginning like Minesweeper or Calculator for no extra charge then it would have been tougher to make a case against them.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by rand0mthought on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:09PM (#18528736)
I just downloaded Firefox and Chrome from App Store. Do I miss something?
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by pmontra on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:44PM (#18528917)
They are skins around Safari. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_for_iOS

> Unlike Firefox on Android, Firefox for iOS does not support browser add-ons. Additionally, it uses Apple's Webkit rendering engine, rather than Mozilla's Gecko. Both of these limitations are in accordance with Apple's rules for submitting apps to the App Store.

Search for safari, webkit or WKWebView in https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/firefox-ios and you'll see how the integration goes.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by samat on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:26PM (#18529471)
Calling them skins is not correct at all. Being able to auto translate whole pages or sync all bookmarks and browsing history or passwords in iOS chrome is not merely a skin.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by swsieber on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:12PM (#18528746)
Those are both Safari based on iOS. Specifically, they can't use their real rendering engine - they have to use the safari one.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by brennankreiman on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:21PM (#18528794)
No PWAs
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by wmobit on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:08PM (#18528729)
Chrome is available on the App Store
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear Apple App Store antitrust dispute by swsieber on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:12PM (#18528749)
And is Safari based on iOS