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Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by DeusExMachina on Saturday November 24, 2018 @09:02AM (#18522040)
> I made the category for women after receiving a suggestion from a partner

You are still the one that made the decision to implement a one-sided feature, though, so you considered it worth it.

> so I don't think you are so right to call me out on the supposed wrongdoing.

The "supposed wrongodoing" is highlighting only women in the home page, which you do. It was not about not having other filters.

> Religion & political ideology were 2 filters I wanted to implement prior to launch but I did not fearing controversy

I wonder why you thought that providing only the categories that appeal only to a minority of people [1] was going to not be controversial.

> the website's core concept is to find diverse users, as in minorities & underprivileged group

That is not stated anywhere. The home page says clearly: "Search for Twitter users who share your interests and come from different backgrounds".

> men don't happen to be one of those groups

That is exactly the ideological bias I was calling out.

Men make the majority of

  * homeless people
  * suicides
  * people in prison (and get longer sentences for the same crimes)
  * work related deaths (and the majority of the workforce in dangerous job)
  * victims of violence and homicides
  * deaths in war
Women are overrepresented in college degrees, and are the majority in fields like medicine, education, psychology, and the humanities.

The "pay gap" is a myth, since the difference in average earning is driven mainly by life choices and not by discrimination. The same is true for the lower percentage of women in tech.

The idea that men are a "privileged" category is just ideology, like anything that prescribes a common characteristic to a broad group. And the idea that "POC" think differently that "white people" is, frankly, racist.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...

Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by dang on Saturday November 24, 2018 @01:55PM (#18523430)
You made your point already. Turning this into your own gender flamewar is a serious abuse of a Show HN thread. I pointed out elsewhere that you were hounding the submitter in a way that breaks the site guidelines, but going full flamewar breaks the site guidelines for different reasons. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do this on HN again.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18521818 and marked it off-topic.

Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by tcodina on Saturday November 24, 2018 @09:14AM (#18522082)
I'm sorry, I find your comment pretty ridiculous in multiple aspects, and I'm honestly surprised you truly feel this way about the platform.

What I understand from it, and the parent comment, is that you're simply stuck in the beliefs of "diversity has ruined men", men have it worse, etc. Unfortunately I might not be able to change your mind, but I hope you understand that the idea of the website was to make groups that were less easy to be found on Twitter (I'll ask, how many women, people of colour, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities and many other groups do you follow? Going to take the risk and say that not as many as men, by a big margin...).

If that upsets you that's unfortunate, I am grateful for the people who were happy with the platform and sent me awesome positive comments. If you want to have a men-centric platform, you may make it yourself, go ahead. It's ironic how you seem to be the kind of person who would have benefited from such a website, getting you out of an echo chamber and seeing multiple perspectives.

Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by nindalf on Saturday November 24, 2018 @09:49AM (#18522223)
This is a more measured, patient reply than I would have been capable of. Thank you for keeping the discourse civil, even in the face of obvious baiting.
Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by DeusExMachina on Saturday November 24, 2018 @09:41AM (#18522186)
> What I understand from it, and the parent comment, is that you're simply stuck in the beliefs of "diversity has ruined men", men have it worse, etc

No, don't put in my mouth words I never said.

I never said "diversity has ruined men". There is nothing in what I write that is even close to that. That's even a meaningless sentence for what I am concerned.

I also didn't say that men have it worse. They don't.

You are the one claming that women have it worse. They don't.

Some people have it worse, and they happen to be men and women. Some people have it better, and they also happen to be in both categories. So do people that face discrimination.

I am simply refuting is your claim that women are "underpriviledged". That is not true in any measurable way.

> If you want to have a men-centric platform

I don't. Where did I say that?

I only said that you provide narrow, politically-correct categories. The opposite of that is not reversing them and privilege another group. The opposite of that is to give everyone equal treatment, which you don't.

> I'll ask, how many women, people of colour, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities and many other groups do you follow?

Why should that even matter? Do you want to follow more women? Great, go on. Do you want to make a site for people that want to follow your specifically discriminatory categories? Please, have a go. But don't claim it's something else.

The ratio between the men and women I follow on Twitter, for what matters (which is 0) is pretty even. I follow them because they are individuials that have something interesting to say, not because of their gender or their skin color.

Why should I follow more (or less) people of color? Do you think they are different from white people? Do they all think the same to justify me following them just based on their skin color? Isn't that racist?

LGBTQ+ people and disabled people are a small percentage of the overall population. Why do you think they should have a higher number in the people I follow? And again, do they think differently from people not in those groups?

You can discriminate all you want, but you can't seat on the side of the "underrepresented".

Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by komali2 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @01:02PM (#18523181)
>You are the one claming that women have it worse. They don't.

I don't see anybody arguing this. The most popular Twitter accounts are of white men, so someone built a tool to find the Twitter feeds of not white men.

By definition the app is to help find underrepresented people (on Twitter).

I'll be honest, your comment comes off as extraordinarily angry for what we're talking about here (someone made an app to help showcase certain minority Twitter accounts). Nobody's suggested the United States Constitution should be rewritten. Nobody's made value statements. So where's all this (I'm seeing) anger coming from?

Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by sk4rekr0w on Saturday November 24, 2018 @01:40PM (#18523349)
FWIW - that's factually untrue, white men are actually a minority of the largest twitter accounts: https://friendorfollow.com/twitter/most-followers/.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with showcasing accounts from underrepresented groups in technology or otherwise. The anger comes from being able to claim what is and what isn't diversity.

Women / people of color are underrepresented on executive management and boards of directors in tech. Guess what? So are Republicans... even moreso than the former. But diversity, as politically defined, only seeks to help the former.

That said, to the OP, great site, great design, and great video.

Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by glhaynes on Sunday November 25, 2018 @07:05PM (#18529930)
white men are actually a minority of the largest twitter accounts

Sure, but those are all celebrities. People who get on Twitter and follow mostly celebrities don't need this tool. But if your Twitter interest is mostly about an area of, say, software development and you start following popular people who tweet about it, you’re likely to end up following 90% (made up number) white men unless you go out of your way to prevent it.

Re:Show HN: Twiverse – Find Twitter users and get more follo... by komali2 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @12:58PM (#18523161)
People are allowed to build communities around minorities. I don't get why there's white male backlash about being "left out" every time this happens.

What's the point of quoting male suicide statistics at a person trying to build out access to minority voices? Nobody is challenging men's ability to form their own communities. This is one app, privately developed, with a specific purpose.