But they are our "allies". Surely they wouldn't do anything to us. Unlike the evil chinese.

Look there is absolutely no debate that the US post-WW2 has been a force for good _in Europe_. They helped us rebuild, overcome communism and reunite under EU flag. Every single European owes a lot to the effort Americans put in to support us. And yes, I know they also did that because it helps them but you can't deny they've basically kickstarted every country that is now in the OECD. That generation of Americans will go down in history as some of the most influential humans ever. On par with Napoleon spreading the metric system and trade, the UK spreading the industrial revolution etc...

But they are also, really, unpredictable lately. George W. Bush was reelected after(!) starting 2 wars. Donald Trump is...well... unpredictable. And I have yet to see him be ousted in 2020. Let alone what the next Donald Trump looks like.

Imagine if someone came along with the same ideas who actually knows how to get stuff done in Washington.

It's just better to be self-sufficient in anything relating to critical infrastructure. As the Americans themselves say: hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

> Every single European owes a lot

Only if you belive in reparations, that children and those who had no say are somehow bound by their country and ancestors.

And don't count eastern Europe.

Ok - there's owes money, and there's owes gratitude.

I owe gratitude for the American soldiers who fought the Nazis - because if they hadn't done that I would live in a very different world. Probably I would not exist. So I am grateful to those people.

To wit, getting stuff done doesn't entail signing executive orders in a true democracy.

Being reelected during the time of war almost always happens. Bush's victory was predicted.

Trump seems like a wildcard but his actions are predictable.

There's also the fact that historically those evil Chinese were those that had been attack (from colonial UK and co, then from the axis powers, etc.) and not the ones doing the attack -- whereas at least one European country (Germany) had been under US attack, and many had internal meddling (Gladio, dictatorships, corporate espionage, diplomatic meddling, etc to this day).

Tell that to the Tibetans, Mongolians, and the dozens of other nations that have been subject to Chinese imperial domination over the centuries.

Very bad examples.

First, those are their neighbors with which they have territorial disputes, like every other country (as borders where not there when the Earth was created, nor where they god given). Not some colonial grab, just out of pure greed, thousands of miles away, and with no prior provocation or history between the two countries.

Second, Mongols invaded and dominated China. You got your facts reversed. Ever heard of this guy, Genghis Khan?

Third, if we considered the same for the EU/US for example, we'd add the genocide of native americans, the abduction and slavery of 20+ million blacks for 4 centuries in the US South, colonial grabs and wars all over the planet (at some point 2/3rds of Earth were slaves under European colonial powers, not the inverse), tons of wars, the land grab of Mexico (California, Texas, etc), Hawaii, Phillipines, and Puerto Rico, the genocide of indigenous people of the Americas [1], and so on and so forth, plus 2 world wars, the genocide of the Jews, and the only atomic bombs to even fall (and on civillians).

Yeah, tell me again how bad China has been?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples

Sure, most countries have done a lot of bad shit in the past. Using that to convince someone of something is pointless. Since I am as foreign as an actual alien to China, I'll stand by my own country and the West if push come to shove, it's just the way it is...

Mongolians, really?

I LOLed at that...

Or to Latin America

What are these dozens?

"Germany had been under US attack"

Is that how it is called now?