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Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by bonaldi on Thursday November 22, 2018 @05:49PM (#18513062)
Facebook's actions are controversial for a few reasons.

1. Their focus was Soros. They were criticised, and they essentially said "we haven't done anything wrong that needs to be addressed, he must have another motive for criticising us, find out if he's going to get rich from this somehow". They set out to attempt to discredit Soros, for the crime of criticising them.

2. Having failed to find a financial motive, they did discover that he was funding a FB pressure group (which you might expect of a wealthy critic). That was then used to smear the group, among the people for whom "is funded by Soros" is an effective smear.

3. Many of the people appealed to in (2) are anti-semitic. It's why the smear works. It's therefore an anti-semitic act to use Soros as a smear in this way.

In sum: they used their financial power to attack a critic of theirs with an ad hominem smear that had an anti-semitic basis. That's not the act of a laudable organisation. It's a controversial act.

Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by nostromo on Thursday November 22, 2018 @06:17PM (#18513198)
2 and 3 are also true of Soros attacking Facebook. So in effect you’re saying that Zuckerberg, Soros, and Sandberg - all jews - are antisemetic.

Soros funded smear groups focused on Facebook. Facebook responding in kind doesn’t strike me as better or worse than what Soros did. Bringing antisemitism into it is a stretch.

Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by danso on Thursday November 22, 2018 @06:19PM (#18513210)
> So in effect you’re saying that Zuckerberg, Soros, and Sandberg - all jews - are antisemetic.

No, Facebook critics are saying that FB was OK with undermining its critics at all costs, even if that meant dogwhistling for anti-Semitic trolls.

Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by nostromo on Thursday November 22, 2018 @06:42PM (#18513329)
How is Facebook correctly pointing out that Soros funded a smear campaign against them a dog whistle? Is it not possible to criticize money in politics if they’re anyone other than WASPs like the Kochs?
Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by danso on Thursday November 22, 2018 @06:47PM (#18513351)
If Facebook was so correct, why did they hire a PR firm to launder that claim?

I'll repeat something I posted in my other comment: Do you believe that George Soros is also actively behind a campaign to destroy Tesla [0]? Reveal has received money through Soros's Open Society Foundations [1].

[0] https://www.revealnews.org/article/inside-teslas-factory-a-m...

https://www.revealnews.org/article/tesla-left-injuries-off-t...

[1] https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-dont-we-hear-about-soros...

Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by nostromo on Thursday November 22, 2018 @06:55PM (#18513388)
Soros is also laundering his attacks...

Perhaps I’m being naive but I see two Jewish business leaders fighting a proxy war — and yet one is called antisemitic and one is not. And I suspect it’s because people are only attacking the side they disagree with politically.

Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by danso on Thursday November 22, 2018 @07:08PM (#18513431)
You aren’t being naive, but you may be credulous. Whereas there is evidence that FB hired someone specifically to undermine their critics, where is the evidence that Soros commanded his philanthropic grantees to wage an attack against Facebook?
Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by notSupplied on Saturday November 24, 2018 @06:29PM (#18524502)
The fact that you provided no evidence to back up your beliefs, but stated only the race of these people, implies that to you, race alone is enough to implicate these people. That is racism.
Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by shard972 on Friday November 23, 2018 @12:29AM (#18514560)
The fact you see them as Jews and not just People shows your anti-Semitic bias to be honest.
Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by AlexandrB on Thursday November 22, 2018 @06:53PM (#18513381)
Because he did no such thing. Freedom From Facebook was actually funded by some other lefty with deep pockets. Definers saying a thing doesn’t make it true.

Edit: looks like some Soros money was sloshing around in there, but the primary funding was from elsewhere.

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/freedom-from-facebook-open-marke...

Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by bonaldi on Thursday November 22, 2018 @06:58PM (#18513395)
It is possible to criticize money in politics; that's not what Facebook was doing. In fact, Facebook was spending money on politics.

Their act was a dog whistle because it was done with the intent of discrediting Soros (to protect Facebook from his criticisms), and the main way it could achieve that was by appealing to the anti-semites.

Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by shard972 on Friday November 23, 2018 @12:28AM (#18514553)
Yea pretty much, I thought we all agreed post WW2 that critiquing jews = antisemitism.
Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by ankmathur96 on Friday November 23, 2018 @12:29PM (#18517763)
I think for (1), it's completely fair for a company to investigate the potential financial motivations of their critics (for example, people were not this upset when Google pointed out that the "search rankings are rigged" "independent" agencies were actually just Yelp and Microsoft paying for an attack.) I think the fact that a supposedly grassroots organization of protestors received a slew of money from a variety of significant liberal donors does point out that this isn't as grassroots as people think.

There was so much else that FB did wrong (Stamos admitted in his WaPo opinion piece that Sheryl was upset at him for telling the board about Russia and that PR pieces about that were obfuscated). Why is the media so focused on what seems to me to be a routine investigation which even they engage in? This just doesn't seem like a winning argument to me.

Re:Facebook policy chief admits hiring PR firm to attack Geo... by sublupo on Thursday November 22, 2018 @10:13PM (#18514080)
> 3

That's ridiculous. Every antisemite eats, does that make eating antisemitic? Most people on the right don't like when Soros pays for protestors. 75% of Orthodox Jews support Trump. Most of whom I assume disagree with Soros. Are they also antisemitic?