Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by alphabettsy on Saturday November 17, 2018 @04:13PM
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In what way other than the camera? Nokia flagships like this, the N95, N8 and more in that generation had some excellent cameras. The N900 had a resistive touchscreen at the same time the iPhone 3GS and Nexus One were available. The OS was a blessing and a curse.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by skykooler on Monday November 19, 2018 @11:10AM
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One nice thing about the N900's resistive touchscreen is that it was pressure-sensitive. This was great for drawing apps (notably MyPaint), and I haven't really seen a similar drawing experience on a phone apart from Apple's Force Touch.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by border43 on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:29PM
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I'm wondering why this is exclusive to Pixel 3 and not made available to Pixel 2 owners? If it's an algorithm that stiches together many images, Pixel 2 should be able to do this as well. The Pixel 2 camera already meshes together many images when you take photos, and already gives users the ability to take "motion" photos.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by jordanthoms on Friday November 16, 2018 @04:32PM
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Google is actually backporting a quite a lot of Pixel 3 functionality to the older phones - e.g. night sight (which makes a enormous difference for photos taken in less than ~3 lux), call screening, adjustable blur. (Full list at https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/10/13/pixel-3-features-co... )
It's pretty generous actually, Apple and Samsung rarely backport marquee features. I figure Google is trying to build up loyalty amongst Pixel and Pixel 2 owners so that they stay with the brand.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by Willson50 on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:31PM
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People have gotten a lot of Pixel 3 exclusive features to work one Pixel 1 + 2 by install Pixel 3's camera apk. I'm assuming most of the reason for backporting features is not a hardware limitation.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by 21 on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:35PM
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Canon/Nikon should put an Android phone into their cameras. You could get these kind of features/easy instagramming/connection capabilities starting from a much higher photo quality base.
Keep their native interface, but also allow switching to a much slower (in the sense of many touches required) but much more capable Android mode.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by detaro on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:37PM
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I think an actually working quick way of getting photos transferred to a phone out of the box would be the better step. That stuff's optimized for a phone, use a phone and keep it out of the camera, which likely will have a longer lifetime and adds a bunch of other constraints.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by 21 on Friday November 16, 2018 @03:39PM
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But then you wouldn't have features like this one, which requires merging multiple close in time images. Since the professional camera makers assume that all post-processing will happen on a computer at a later time, they don't work on in-camera features like this.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by londons_explore on Saturday November 17, 2018 @02:51AM
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A burst of 150 raw frames all within 1 second even the top end slr's can't do, mostly because they don't have enough RAM to store all those raw frames, and because sd cards aren't fast enough.
Without all those raw images, you won't be able to do this kind of postprocessing after the fact.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by throwanem on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:40PM
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You're right that SD cards aren't fast enough. That's why high-end DSLRs support the much faster XQD standard. There are no DSLRs (and precious few if any still cameras, period) that can do 150fps, but 15-20fps isn't at all uncommon in professional lines, and most cameras that support that frame rate also have deep enough buffers and fast enough XQD interfaces that they can shoot raw at full framerate for 10-15 seconds before they fill the buffer and slow down.
Re:Super-resolution on the Pixel 3
by possibleworlds on Saturday November 17, 2018 @06:43PM
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Whilst this is genuinely amazing work and very exciting, I would just like to point out a few things.
The comparable tech in digital cameras is not limited to tripods and static scenes as stated, some cameras can do this hand-held.
Shifting pixels 4 times results in increased detail, however Olympus and Panasonic’s approach is to shift the sensor 8 times in half-pixel increments, resulting in dramatically increased resolution as well.
The main issue with the current implementations in digital cameras is still objects in motion, which camera makers are trying to solve in-software with mixed results.
If rumors are to be believed there are advances on the way for this tech in digital cameras, particularly in relation to shutter speed and perhaps low light, but I don’t think you’ll see this trickle down to cheaper models for a few years yet.
It's pretty generous actually, Apple and Samsung rarely backport marquee features. I figure Google is trying to build up loyalty amongst Pixel and Pixel 2 owners so that they stay with the brand.
As a Pixel owner: it's working.
Also, can the Pixel 2 control the OIS the way the Pixel 3 does? I own both, but have no way of checking.
The pixel 3 hardware requires this super zoom method at all times, or the output will be aliased.
Keep their native interface, but also allow switching to a much slower (in the sense of many touches required) but much more capable Android mode.
Without all those raw images, you won't be able to do this kind of postprocessing after the fact.
The comparable tech in digital cameras is not limited to tripods and static scenes as stated, some cameras can do this hand-held.
Shifting pixels 4 times results in increased detail, however Olympus and Panasonic’s approach is to shift the sensor 8 times in half-pixel increments, resulting in dramatically increased resolution as well.
The main issue with the current implementations in digital cameras is still objects in motion, which camera makers are trying to solve in-software with mixed results.
If rumors are to be believed there are advances on the way for this tech in digital cameras, particularly in relation to shutter speed and perhaps low light, but I don’t think you’ll see this trickle down to cheaper models for a few years yet.
This is on-device software though, so probably not an issue.