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Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by michaelt on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:25AM (#18449092)
The case for a meal-in-a-box service is "It's home cooking, but easier for only a modest increase in cost"

The case for home cooking over delivery food most people know already :)

Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by notyourday on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @09:15AM (#18449941)
The raw cost of ingredients to the cost of a plate is at most 30% (restaurants tend to collapse at 35%). For Asian restaurants it is closer to 20%.

Say that the average "entree" for an Asian restaurant is $12, soup/app is $6. Lets pretend that there are two of you and both order app and entree. This means that the meal for 2 from an Asian restaurant is 2 x (12+6) = 36. We will let the cost be 33% i.e. restaurant barely hanging on which is equivalent of your family not buying anything on sale and every time randomly selecting the most expensive place to buy your ingredients.

This brings the input cost of a meal for two people (app or soup/entree each) to:

~33% of $36 = $12

Lets give a 50% upcharge for convenience of using a meal kit:

$12 + 0.5 * $12 = $18.

Ok, so we are at $18 for two people for the entire meal. Hell, lets increase margins further. Make it $20.

There's not a single meal kit company on the market at this time that sells kits for 2 people for $20 a meal on a non-trial basis.

WholeFoods, Wegmans, KeyFoods, ShopRite, Ahold are going to kill this entire "industry". They already have pre-packaged "dinner ready" containers that they are willing to sell at their cost + 10%. It is just a matter of time until they start marketing it.

The cost of WholeFoods "meal kit" for two people needed to make the standard Asian fare? About $11. That's the competition for meal kit companies. They need to compete with $11 spent at Whole Foods.

Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by overcast on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @10:44AM (#18450687)
Well, if they are willing to, then I'm certainly not seeing it. Wegmans prepared foods are insanely expensive. Like $12 for a cold chicken parm with some green beans. The price seems to go up a $1 every 6 months. The quality also isn't great. I haven't looked at their prepared kits, but just a bag of chopped up fruit is like 4x the price of just buying the fruit and cutting it yourself.
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by notyourday on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @11:45AM (#18451224)
Not prepared. They have boxes of vegetables needed for X around the vegetables section. In the meat section they have pre-marinated protein needed for Y. Prices are about 10% higher than picking up those ingredients by themselves. Right now it is "pick up X", "pick up Y". Overpay by 10% or so.

Currently they have about $10 worth of margin (currently 80% to 100%) on this before they are hitting price points of intro period of meal kit companies (nearly $20-$30 post intro). If they spend $3 of that margin on little things ( soy sauce, tahini paste, miso, oyster sauce, sprouts ) that are just for that meal they recreate meal kit cheaper, faster, fresher and most importantly from an already existing infrastructure that is designed to operate successfully on 5-10% margins.

Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by Ntrails on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:05AM (#18449525)
In my experience it is far more than a "modest" increase in cost (once you burn through free/starter deals).
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by simias on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:36AM (#18449714)
Well I think that it mostly depends on what you order. Fancy restaurant will have expensive fancy food but you can often find more reasonably-priced offerings (in my experience Asian restaurants are pretty competitive). After that it mostly depends on the delivery costs, obviously if you order for one it's a non-negligible amount but for two or more it becomes very small.
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by rsynnott on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @10:06AM (#18450323)
I'm not convinced it's even that much easier. My main annoyance with cooking is cleaning up afterwards; if they could handle THAT for me then maybe I'd be interested. I've never seen getting ingredients as a particularly arduous part of the process.
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by cardamomo on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:50AM (#18449175)
And what is the case for home cooking over delivery food, in your opinion? (I may agree with you, but I don't think everyone is on the same page here.)
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by VLM on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @07:59AM (#18449495)
Delivery optimizes for maximizing profitability, minimizing customer complaints (due to trying something too exotic, perhaps), and ease of marketing.

If you want to play a different game, such as maximizing nutrition, maximizing taste or texture instead of appearance in an ad, meet some specific health goal, or try something that might (or might not) be enjoyable, then home cooking is better.

By analogy its like the difference between formulaic pulp fiction mass market paperbacks vs the total sum of all human literature ever written.

Delivery is more profitable, but profit does not imply better food. A bad HN car analogy is delivery/restaurant food is like a 70s american car before the foreign car invasion; someone's making money but its not a good product.

Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by c0nducktr on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @07:50AM (#18449445)
It being far less expensive, seems to be the standout reason. Normal people can't afford $700/month for food delivery services.
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by Agathos on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:54AM (#18449824)
It's a little less expensive, but I wouldn't call it "far" less expensive unless you're prepared to stick to the lowest-cost ingredients like rice and beans.
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by michaelt on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @11:15AM (#18450961)
In my area, cooking for myself, my weekly supermarket food bill is about £30 (~$40) and that lets me eat pretty well. For comparison, a medium-sized delivery pizza is £17 (~$22).

So I'd be looking at about 4x the cost if I ate a delivery pizza every day.

How do the figures compare in your area? Is delivery food radically cheaper?

Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by Agathos on Thursday November 15, 2018 @11:36AM (#18460660)
I'm in Chicago, so $22 is almost the cost of a medium deep dish pizza, and I can stretch that to almost a week of dinners if it's just me.

A couple of footnotes: 1. Pizza is absurdly cheap, even for takeout food. I don't really understand how that works. 2. I prefer takeout over paying for delivery, which saves a lot. My favorite pizza places are in walking distance.

Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by radiorental on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @07:15AM (#18449281)
The case is that you know what is your food.

Too often we'd order Indian and realise they had added extra salt to preserve some 'overstock'

Also, invariably the content in takeaway food is the lowest cost produce.

If you care about where your food comes from and what goes into it you cut out the middleman.

Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by michaelmior on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:23AM (#18449637)
Forget adding extra salt because of poor quality ingredients, restaurants almost always add significantly more salt and fat than you would be comfortable doing yourself at home.
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by dagw on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @08:27AM (#18449659)
And what is the case for home cooking over delivery food

The big one is that I know what's in it and can select/exclude ingredients based on my own criteria. Another big plus is that I can tweak the flavors to match my preferences.

Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by namdnay on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @09:27AM (#18450014)
Has anyone considered the ecological implications? From the photos I've seen the ratio of packaging to food is huge for these types of services...
Re:Blue Apron lays off more workers by wink on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @11:01AM (#18450843)
It's the main reason I didn't continue with HelloFresh (in Germany) after a short tryout period. My reasons for trying it out were a) curiosity b) seeing if their recipes are good and c) having less leftover materials when cooking for 2 people (for 1 is even worse) - I was not prepared for the amount of plastic packaging.

Also the meals were generally good, but not spectacular. They take as long to prepare, you need to be at home to get the delivery. The only upside is not having to go shopping - and if you any non-standard ingredients I always have to go to the further bigger supermarket, not the 2 that are easy to walk to. The cost was maybe 0-20% higher than buying it yourself. More toward 0% with nice cuts of meat, more like 50% markup if you did some non-fancy pasta or pancakes or whatever - but you could choose to ignore those, to be fair.