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Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by ap_org on Monday November 12, 2018 @11:11AM (#18433414)
The U.S. government actively promotes public belief in the pseudoscience of polygraphy, and the press largely plays along.
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by thoughtexplorer on Monday November 12, 2018 @12:47PM (#18434150)
Why is the government actively promoting that?

As for the press, they only play along if it fits their narrative. During that hearing Fox News framed polygraphs as pseudoscience while CNN was promoting it as evidence. Both sides will just as easily do the opposite the next time depending on what their audience wants to hear.

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by derefr on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:41PM (#18434595)
Polygraph is a placebo "eye of God watching you" to encourage confessions during interrogation. No more, no less. Like any placebo, it doesn't work (as well) if you know it's a placebo.

Either way, it's inadmissible in court. It's a technique for aiding in interrogation (like torture would be, if it worked), not a forensic technique for producing evidence.

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by User23 on Monday November 12, 2018 @04:16PM (#18435913)
Torture does work in cases where the information is verifiable. Consider for example that the interrogator has an encrypted file and a subject that knows the key.

Torture is morally abhorrent, but it's not necessarily ineffective.

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by billpg on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @05:21AM (#18439964)
"What's the decryption key?"

"I don't know."

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by ghayes on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:28PM (#18435437)
I thought the placebo affect can still work (to some degree) even if you knew you were given a placebo.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/placebo-can-work-even-kn...

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by ap_org on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:38PM (#18434569)
Exactly as 3JPLW mentioned, government agencies value the polygraph as an aid to interrogation. Naïve and gullible persons, be they applicants for government jobs, criminal suspects, or criminals released on probation or parole, will sometimes make admissions that they might not otherwise make, because the fear that the polygraph can read their mind convinces them that their best choice is to confess.

But the polygraph can only have such utility so long as the general public believes that it can detect lies. We're at the point now that applicants for public jobs who face polygraph screening are often being specifically instructed not to research polygraphy.

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by reshie on Monday November 12, 2018 @05:41PM (#18436671)
it can give an avenue for questioning based on raised tension or whatever. its bot a complete farse but is not very dependable and can be decieved as well as false positives.
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by 3JPLW on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:27PM (#18434500)
It's a useful interrogation technique, but only if the public believes it works.

Example in fiction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO_rAaiq0

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by randcraw on Monday November 12, 2018 @02:42PM (#18435067)
LD tests are an unreliable technique if the subject has a clue of what LDs do measure, namely stress, and how to control those forms of stress measured by the device. After a little behavioral training, most anyone should be able to significantly reduce their stress response when lying, making the test results much harder to interpret effectively.

LDs don't catch spies. They catch novices. Aldrich Ames beat the test repeatedly. But he would, since his job was counterespionage.

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by kevin_thibedeau on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:36PM (#18434560)
They use it to ferret out untrustworthy people at government contractors. This catches some moles.

The real problem is when this hocus pocus enters the legal system and people get convicted based on examiner testimony or face the presumed guilt applied to anyone who refuses a polygraph.

Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by ap_org on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:39PM (#18434580)
There is no documented example of the polygraph ever catching a mole. On the contrary, all of the known moles who were subjected to polygraph screening beat the polygraph.
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by zaroth on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:31PM (#18435461)
Saying that they "beat" the test gives the test too much credence. The test is a ploy to make the subject confess. The only step to beating the test, is the simple knowledge that it's a ploy in the first place.
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by ap_org on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:51PM (#18435665)
Point well taken. But the U.S. government does consider the polygraph to be a pass/fail procedure. Applicants and employees suffer severe career harm for "failing."
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by masonic on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @12:54AM (#18447823)
Wasn't Philby caught by polygraph but argued his way out of the results? (He was, in fact, a spy all along).
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by ap_org on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:56AM (#18448290)
No, Philby was not "caught by polygraph."
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by shirro on Monday November 12, 2018 @05:23PM (#18436523)
It is weird watching US tv shows when they seem to take them seriously. I could never work out if the they are a reflection of real US government practice or if the writers in Hollywood liked the pseudoscience. They are one of those weird things like fan death that doesn't seem to translate out of a particular culture.
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by smhenderson on Monday November 12, 2018 @12:36PM (#18434064)
And Hollywood as well.
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by jobigoud on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:03PM (#18434289)
Not really though. Every time it's used as a plot device to create suspense but in the end the hero or villain has been trained to beat the polygraph and get away with it. So they actually perpetuates the idea that it's fallible / can be fooled.
Re:The Lie Behind the Lie Detector by TeMPOraL on Monday November 12, 2018 @01:08PM (#18434328)
> So they actually perpetuates the idea that it's fallible / can be fooled.

By doing that, they also perpetuate the idea that it does work somewhat reliably and to beat it, you need special training.