Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by throw7 on Monday November 05, 2018 @11:55AM
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The Russians are worse to me... their botch up hit job actually killed a british citizen. I mean, can you imagine what would happen if that happened on u.s. soil?
Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by brohee on Monday November 05, 2018 @12:37PM
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The Israelis, presumably the best at this game, killed a waiter in front of his pregnant wife in Norway in a case of mistaken identity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair), got caught, and the consequences weren't that bad even with Norway being a NATO member...
Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by 7000skeletons on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @05:13AM
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Mossad aren't exactly known for being subtle. Just look at the way they took out the guy they mistook Ahmed Bouchikhi for. Sure, they got their man... along with his four bodyguards and four bystanders. Not to mention the sixteen people injured when their bomb attack on Ali Hassan Salameh went off.
Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by erikpukinskis on Monday November 05, 2018 @07:13PM
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Consequences appear to have been less than five year prison sentences for several accomplices. The murderers were able to escape and could not be extradited to stand trial. Israel paid out <$500k to the families but did not admit responsibility.
Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by sandworm101 on Monday November 05, 2018 @12:15PM
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When the Russians "botch" a job they do so with a reason. If you want to quietly disappear someone you don't do it with chemical weapons or radioactive material. You use such things when you want people to know about it, when the goal is remind everyone exactly who they are dealing with.
Dig into things and you will find lots of Russian agitators disappearing under suspicious circumstances. They know how to do things properly when they want to. They don't dress up in the dead man's clothes and do a little dance for the cameras.
Whether any killings have happened on US soil is an open question. But, without mentioning the T word, I think not much would happen. Both chemical and a nuclear weapon were deployed in Britain ... and Russian operatives still move in and out of the UK freely. Russian money still invests in London real estate. I don't see why anything different would happen in the US.
Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by brohee on Monday November 05, 2018 @12:38PM
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What do you mean by nuclear? If you think polonium, it's lethality is not linked to it's radioactivity, it's purely chemical.
Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by sandworm101 on Monday November 05, 2018 @01:11PM
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It kills as a chemical, but is detectable as a radioactive substance. Using it means you have access to a nuclear reactor and extensive infrastructure. It is a weapon that could only have come from a state actor, one with an extensive nuclear program and a willingness to weaponize material from that program. That is a very short list. Had they wanted to remain anonymous they could have used any of a dozen different methods that could not be so easily traced. They weren't trying for a knife in the dark.
Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by brohee on Monday November 05, 2018 @02:47PM
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Polonium can be made in a cyclotron, and AFAIK they are quite common in hospitals. I'm afraid this is very much in reach of a non state actor...
Re:SoftBank CEO says Khashoggi killing may have impact on Sa...
by sandworm101 on Monday November 05, 2018 @03:57PM
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Atoms of polonium can indeed be manufactured in a cyclotron, but unless your cyclotron is the size of a building it would take years to gather enough to conduct such a poisoning. Usable quantities are only ever made inside nuclear reactors.
There are professional people in this world that can handle such situations. The Americans, the Russians, the Chinese, the all have people who can clean up a mess well enough to keep things away from the media. But such people are professionals. This saudi team looks more like a bunch of frat boys: well-educated but where they are because of connections. The operations smacks of "assassination for dummies." These people had not done this before. They didn't have a playbook. They were inventing everything.
My point: The Saudi regime doesn't use professionals, doesn't know how to employ experts. Instead they employ friends and family. That deficiency surely bleeds into other areas too.