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Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by wdn on Thursday November 01, 2018 @10:50PM (#18360344)
China was never any threat to any country in the history of China. The culture is simply too corrupted.

US biggest threat is the national debt and the unfounded and underfunded liabilities.

The national debt is really not a problem as long as the USD still the world reserved currency. How the reserved status may change because of China and that’s the real threat.

Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by WillPostForFood on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:07PM (#18360405)
China was never any threat to any country in the history of China

Tibet? Taiwan? Vietnam? South Korea (by proxy)?

Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by chibg10 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:46PM (#18360561)
I'm sure "China" went from China Proper to enveloping Manchuria, southern China, and modern-day Xinjiang through purely peaceful measures as well...

[I should note that I find these types of discussions useless in the first place. No problem among living humans was ever solved by arguing over whose ancestors were less barbaric...]

Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by phyller on Friday November 02, 2018 @12:28AM (#18360698)
In my opinion, the little nugget of truth here is that the focus of the Chinese government has almost always been inward, and not outward, and definitely has been for the last several generations. Their greatest threat is not the US or anyone else, it is and always has been (and will be) their own people.

If you think about it like this it explains everything that the government has been doing for decades. They limit the population growth so that they can feed everyone and keep discontent down. They focus on the economy to keep discontent down. They build regional and world status to create pride in a greater, unified China. Even their tv shows and movies glorify themes which show a united China as one, and always the government are the good, humble servants. Military power, technological independence, even hostility towards other countries is mostly to build patriotism and unity among their own people.

And of course they restrict the internet, control the media, and limit what people can see and say.

Even when China was being successfully invaded by the Japanese, the existing government was more concerned with the Communist revolution. When they finally got desperate and banded together with the Communists to fight the Japanese, they lost ... to the Chinese Communists who took the opportunity to overthrow them.

So in that sense, it is helpful to understand the Chinese government and the things they are likely to do, and how to interpret them.

Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by cbnotfromthere on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:30AM (#18362227)
"even hostility towards other countries is mostly to build patriotism and unity among their own people."

LOL! Tell this to Vietnam, Philippines, Mongolia, and most of their frightened neighbors.

Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by phyller on Friday November 02, 2018 @10:46AM (#18363377)
I didn't say the hostility wasn't real. It doesn't matter why someone is pointing a gun at you when it happens. I was explaining my theory as to why they are bad neighbors.
Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by throwaway855 on Friday November 02, 2018 @12:08AM (#18360632)
To be fair, Manchuria and Xinjiang were conquered during the Qing dynasty, who were Manchu people, not Han.

They were later Sinicized after several generations.

Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by taobility on Friday November 02, 2018 @01:43AM (#18360942)
Tibet and Taiwan is internal affair. And the Korea war, China is trying to secure its border with Korea.
Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by flomble on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:21AM (#18361036)
With respect to Taiwan: what is it that constitutes a nation, if not the common belief of its people that they are a nation, combined with the reality that they are under the control of a government which they recognise as their own?
Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by throwaway855 on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:07AM (#18362117)
What's funny is that in this article, a Taiwanese company was also accused of stealing IP from Micron, but people are only talking about China.

So is the common believe of a group of people enough? Or does it need the recognition of others?

Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by flomble on Friday November 02, 2018 @08:09AM (#18362390)
Good question. If the recognition of others is a deciding factor, then Taiwan was previously a nation (when its government was internationally recognised) but no longer is, which is a strange conclusion.

Partly, it depends on whether the debate over nation status is a merely one of linguistics and categorisation or whether we're making ethical arguments.

When Japan annexed Korea, did the Korean people cease to constitute a nation? When Japan annexed Taiwan, did Taiwan cease to rightfully belong to the Chinese government of the time?

(As an aside, I think that no-one talking about the Taiwanese company's involvement in IP theft is a pretty good example of how the press is incentivised to lead with a sensationalised narrative that inflames sentiments, how people focus on facts that fit a pre-existing narrative, and a general bias against China).

Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by indemnity on Friday November 02, 2018 @01:52PM (#18365132)
Interesting theory, but Taiwan is an independent country, as is Tibet.
Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by taobility on Friday November 02, 2018 @02:06PM (#18365246)
I couldn't understand why you think Tibet/Taiwan are independent countries. UN and even White House don't agree with that.
Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by King-Aaron on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:29AM (#18361430)
mm hmm.
Re:U.S. Says China State-Owned Company Stole Micron Secrets by ionised on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:46AM (#18362302)
The US biggest threat is its own ruling class.