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Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by INTPenis on Thursday November 01, 2018 @02:24PM (#18356889)
You don't have to go that far back. My grandma carried a knife to church. She was from rural Croatia.

My father still carries a knife, and he still uses it for eating fruit.

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by Piskvorrr on Thursday November 01, 2018 @02:50PM (#18357146)
Of course, people still carry knives (mighty useful, what with today's multi-function ones); but about ~0% of them use them as their primary, day-to-day eating utensil.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by ahoka on Thursday November 01, 2018 @02:42PM (#18357064)
I carry an Opinel in my pocket for eating in the office kitchenette or even in public places.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by gadders on Thursday November 01, 2018 @02:46PM (#18357111)
Good job you're not in the UK (I assume) - you'd get arrested for that. Locking knives are illegal in public [1]

[1] https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by donatj on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:17PM (#18357437)
That is so lame. Non-locking knives are simply a danger to the user. Doing any sort of vigorous knife work it's just a matter of time before you accidentally shut your hand in it, speaking from experience.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by dx87 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:24PM (#18358060)
Disposable plasic knives are also banned in public, unless you are using it to eat. From https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

stealth knives - a knife or spike not made from metal (except when used at home, for food or a toy)

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by DanBC on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:58PM (#18358376)
> Disposable plasic knives are also banned in public,

No they're not.

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by DanBC on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:54PM (#18358345)
It's also incorrect. Read the link. You're allowed to carry and use a locking knife, but you need to ahve a good reason. If you don't have a good reason you have to find another tool.

This law is not aimed at the few people who carry opinels, but the many football hooligans who were carrying eg stanley knives.

There are knives that are illegal in the UK. One example would be flick knives.

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by eadmund on Thursday November 01, 2018 @06:32PM (#18359060)
> You're allowed to carry and use a locking knife, but you need to ahve a good reason.

'I want to' should suffice. It's a general-purpose tool, and one oughtn't be required to have a specific reason to carry a general-purpose tool.

This applies in the software context, e.g. to cryptography.

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by tomjen3 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:06PM (#18357895)
All knives are essentially banned in public in Denmark.

Yeah it is lame, but unfortunately you can't challenge politicians to a duel anymore.

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by iguy on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:08PM (#18357338)
From that link, it's unclear to me whether an Opinel would be illegal: it locks in place, but not with a button. Anyone know?

> Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason. Lock knives: * have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button * can include multi-tool knives - tools that also contain other devices such as a screwdriver or can opener

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by DanBC on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:13PM (#18358502)
The law is the Criminal Justice Act 1988.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/33/contents

The knife stuff starts here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/33/part/XI/crosshe...

That talks about the blade folding and being under 3 inches (you don't need a good reason to carry it in public), or the blade folding and being over 3 inches or not folding. It doesn't mention the mechanism of locking.

Knives that are illegal would be covered by section 141 - "offensive weapons".

The Knives Act 1997 covers marketing of knives: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1997/21/contents

The schedule to the Criminal Justice Act lists what weapons are currently illegal: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1988/2019/schedule/parag...

You'll see item 1 is a knuckleduster. If you're a child and you 3d print a knuckle duster a police officer is likely to tell you to stop fucking about and they'll confiscate and destroy the item. If you're a drug dealer with a history of violent offences they're likely to prosecute. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45275791

This is a cultural difference in law enforcement, and it's something that derails conversations all the time on HN. Discretion in charging and prosecuting offences are seen as a good thing in the UK. But it's really important to remember this element of discretion when talking about how the written law is applied.

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by iguy on Friday November 02, 2018 @01:38PM (#18365019)
Thanks! These are more readable than I was imagining.

And indeed, about discretion. So much of how things work is outside the written law, and of varying quality.

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by justtopost on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:04PM (#18359616)
Here we call that selective enforcement, and find it encourages racism, sexism, and other abuses. There is not really an ideal situation sadly.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by rtkwe on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:36PM (#18357627)
Odds are the actual laws don't make mention of button, most multi-tools with locking blades use non button locks, and the list is just an example.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by MrBuddyCasino on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:08PM (#18357340)
I wonder why that comment was downvoted?
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by pc86 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:18PM (#18357443)
Because it's irrelevant. I think the UK's knife laws are ridiculous - but an article on medieval eating knives is definitely not the place to discuss that.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by patejam on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:31PM (#18357575)
People were talking about their modern equivalents. How is it irrelevant that you can't legally have many modern equivalents in the UK?
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by DanBC on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:48PM (#18358288)
You can have them, and you can even carry them in public if you have a good reason. Poster said "these are illegal" and that's not true.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by patejam on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:04PM (#18358421)
A "good reason" doesn't seem to include "because it's convenient to have", which is the reason for a lot of people.

UK is extremely restrictive with their knife laws according to their own page. I don't know why you're trying to depict it otherwise. I'm not even taking a side here.

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by DanBC on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:15PM (#18358519)
I agree the UK knife laws are restrictive. But parent poster said "these knives are illegal in UK" -- they're not.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by znaji on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:43PM (#18358761)
He said they are illegal to carry in public.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by pc86 on Friday November 02, 2018 @09:20AM (#18362782)
Which they're not. There are certain uses are not considered legitimate, but there are legal ways to carry these knives in public.
Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by DanBC on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:50PM (#18358312)
Because it's incorrect and because it's obvious and tedious troll bait.

The link posted says you can't carry some knives in public unless you have a good reason.

That's different from "Locking knives are illegal in public".

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by gadders on Thursday November 01, 2018 @06:02PM (#18358885)
Thanks for the ad hominem attacks.

The acceptable reasons for carrying a knife listed on that government article are:

Examples of good reasons to carry a knife or weapon in public can include:

- taking knives you use at work to and from work

- taking it to a gallery or museum to be exhibited

- if it’ll be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, for example the kirpan some Sikhs carry

- if it’ll be used in a demonstration or to teach someone how to use it

None of those mention carrying an Opinel to cut up an apple, and are so obscure.

In addition, you have the Mayor of London saying there is never any reason to carry a knife [1]. I suspect if you're on a hike in the Yorkshire moors, you could be ok. On the tube in London, probably not. Either way, you are gambling on a policeman's discretion.

[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/mayoroflondon/status/982906526334...

Re:In Medieval Europe, No Outfit Was Complete Without a Pers... by ahoka on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:08PM (#18357342)
No, but I'm limited to 8cms.