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Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by sfRattan on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @08:46PM (#18350562)
I have a distinct memory of 8th grade typing class: once a week over the whole fall semester we practiced typing on these awful AlphaSmart devices. Made almost no progress in our words-per-minute. Then, over Christmas break, we all started using AIM to message each other. Spring semester began and our teacher was flummoxed... We had all jumped up by 20-30 words per minute from where we had been on the first day back in class.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by bcaa7f3a8bbc on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:17PM (#18350700)
Completely agree.

Touch-typing in standard finger position is ABSOLUTELY NOT REQUIRED to be a successful computer technician unless you are doing office document processing. As long as you can type in a reasonable speed so it doesn't become a significant bottleneck of your human-machine interface, it is okay. It's good to have this skill to become a more efficient computer operator, but it is optional in many cases.

I can type at 50 WPM minimum by just pecking two fingers on the keyboard, and even faster when I use more fingers. I barely need to look down at the keyboard, I only do it to readjust my hand position, but most of the time, I can do this by using the text I just mistyped on the screen as my negative feedback. Many people I know who are not touch-typers, have also naturally acquired a similar "just works" way of typing - you don't need to actually study it, if you use computers day-by-day, you have probably obtained it.

In the same way, when the cool kids in the 2000s were using SMS to text all the days, they learned to type at an unbelievable speed on the 3x3 numpad phone keyboard.

On the other hand, if one is struggling to type words and commands on the keyboard to operate the commandline, it doesn't mean one is merely an inefficient typer, but often indicates a larger problem: A LACK OF GENERAL EXPERIENCE ON USING COMPUTERS, and this is the real problem, as general-purpose computers are becoming less and less common and many people of the young generation do not share your experience, which was how the older generation learned to type.

Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by erfgh on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:13AM (#18352083)
You can learn touch typing to a very good standard in 1-2 weeks if you give it a try. It is not required but it will definitely help you.

Sure, you can learn to type fast using another way, but what's the point? It's like learning to play the guitar stand-up. You can do it, but what's the point?

Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by ghaff on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:57AM (#18353422)
I never learned. (I think the first time I used a typewriter was senior year in HS.) I went to a "prep" school and we didn't have classes for secretarial-type stuff.

I type quickly enough and have developed good enough typing muscle memory over time that I've never quite gotten up the incentive to properly teach myself to touch type but I would almost certainly have benefited from both typing and shorthand classes at some point.

Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by ams6110 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @10:21AM (#18354100)
Same. I generally rest in the home row, but I'm sure the fingers I'm using to strike specific keys are not the "correct" ones. I've never been formally trained in typing. I do find that I make fewer errors when I have a correct keyboard height and I keep my wrists elevated.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by amrx431 on Friday November 02, 2018 @12:27PM (#18364315)
Didn't have a computer till I went to university(grew up poor in a developing world). I am pretty fast without touch typing and I move my hand all around the keyboard. I also feel it when I happen to strike an incorrect key. Currently I look at keyboard occasionally when I make a mistake, but I think I have got an idea as to which keys are where. Its almost touch typing except I never start with the "home" position and yet manage to almost touch type. I believe as we type more and more we will eventually develop the touch typing pattern. The pattern might be different than the standard recommendation of "home" positioning.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by cm2187 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:34AM (#18352143)
I never learned to type formally and type fast but with a lot of typos. It is a problem when programming. Particularly the location of special characters, and particularly given that many IDE are "path dependent", i.e. if you type the wrong character and press back, you are not in the state in which you were before you mistyped, auto-complete doesn't reset properly, some auto-format may have inserted lots of new lines and symbols, etc.

To me typing reliably is almost more important than typing very fast.

Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by brokenmachine on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:14PM (#18359680)
> I can type at 50 WPM minimum by just pecking two fingers on the keyboard

I don't believe this TBH. I've seen people who think they are fast hunt-and-peckers, and I'd be surprised if they're getting to 30 WPM.

Have a go at one of those online tests and you might be surprised. eg https://www.typingtest.com/

Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by FiddlyPack on Friday November 02, 2018 @10:08AM (#18363100)
I believe it. “Hunt and peck” may be a misnomer. Full disclosure, I’m a pianist as well and use all ten fingers, but my fingers float all over the keyboard rather than using the home row, and I might use three or four different fingers to hit any particular key. This style is muscle memory, but it’s also not “touch typing.” I typically type around 110wpm with high accuracy, and am slowed by figuring out what I want to type not by my fingers. I mostly don’t look down as long as I’m using my own keyboard, though I am slowed considerably when moving to an unfamiliar keyboard. I say all this because I know some of this style translates well to reduced fingers, eg sometimes I type exclusively with my left hand because I’m too lazy to move my right hand off the mouse and I’m thinking hard and don’t need to type as quickly anyway. Good two-finger typists probably also rely on spatial-muscle memory, and may not look at their keyboard at all despite only using two fingers.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by brokenmachine on Sunday November 04, 2018 @05:59PM (#18378519)
Not the ones I've seen, lol!

You sound like a super-advanced hunt and pecker. I've never seen someone who can type without looking but their hands not in the "correct" positions.

Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by derblitzmann on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:24PM (#18350739)
I remember this too. Funny thing is that I never got good until I enter the industry after college. And even then, the times I need to type quickly is when I already know what I'm typing, otherwise I'm thinking more than going for WPM.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by taneq on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:19AM (#18352098)
Yep. I did a touch typing course in year 8 which did almost nothing for me (or so I thought). I started using the home row and the right fingers per key but nothing more than that. Then in first year uni everyone communicated primarily via ICQ / irc / ytalk and suddenly typing fast was important. A year later, someone talked to me while I was typing, I looked up and responded to them and then realised I'd finished typing the sentence I was working on as I was talking. Accidental touch typing!
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by peterlk on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:27PM (#18350755)
Very similar experience. I learned to type fast because typing faster meant "winning" more arguments on Runescape. Also AIM helped me as well
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by maxaht on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:07PM (#18350652)
I had a similar experience as well- I attribute most (if not all) of my typing ability to an unhealthy Runescape habit in my younger years.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by ebullientocelot on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:22PM (#18351019)
Typing "333333 to buy a R2H!" repeatedly led to my initial discovery of copy/paste in my younger days. +1 for nostalgic smiles.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by Cthulhu_ on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:48AM (#18352196)
A friend of mine used a macro tool to automate things like mining, another thing you don't really learn in school.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by jjjensen90 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @06:14AM (#18352474)
My typing breakthrough came from EverQuest, as did learning a lot of archaic and interesting words as a young child (grotesque, diadem, sepulchre... etc!). Being forced to type to party members or to auction items whipped me into shape as a typist pretty fast.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by zinckiwi on Thursday November 01, 2018 @10:10AM (#18353992)
Plus sheer manual dexterity, "/yell TRAIN TO ZONE" while running like the dickens yourself.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by fma on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:06PM (#18350647)
Back in the 90's I had a computer...a 386. It had Windows 3.1 but still I used a lot of DOS. I also played BBS games where there's multiplayer chat...so I typed pretty fast. I was fastest type in the class in middle school, even better than the teacher in our computer class. A year or two later, everyone gets computers, AOL...AIM....and the classroom is now clickity clack, full of fast typers.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by nkrisc on Thursday November 01, 2018 @10:10AM (#18353998)
I can touch type, though my technique is definitely not standard. I learned it entirely from playing Starcraft online as a child. I couldn't type fast when I started playing, but I had to learn to type fast if I wanted to spend more time micromanaging my units and winning than typing messages to my allies.
Re:The Missing Computer Skills of High School Students by analog31 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:19PM (#18351008)
Maybe we should teach kids to type by having them copy simple computer programs. They could progress to correcting errors in those programs, or adding minor features. It wouldn't be full blown programming, but it might spark an interest and teach a little bit by imitation without being frightening.