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Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by tptacek on Thursday October 25, 2018 @02:23PM (#18303237)
No contract any VP of Customer Service is going to have will insulate them from being fired for cause, which is what would be happening if they violated a basic HR handbook rule about dating subordinates.

And that's assuming the "VP of Customer Service" has a negotiated contract in the first place. Most employees, even managers, don't have negotiated contracts; they have the default handbook contract, which I guarantee you restates and maintains the US default, which is termination at will.

Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by ashelmire on Thursday October 25, 2018 @04:37PM (#18304376)
It appears that this is not settled case law, with the most recent case in the 9th district court (basically all of the west coast) ruling that at least public officials have the right to have affairs with coworkers: https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Police-can-t-be-fir...

Other appeals courts have ruled otherwise, but the 9th district court has had a couple of precedents in the past, according to the article.

Personally, I think it's an interesting issue. If the company fires the higher ranked employee, they are probably losing more value.

It's also interesting that I think everyone would agree that it would be absurd to fire any employee if they were a married couple - yet absent the (mostly religious and tax related) binds of marriage, there's some moral judgment cast upon the participants. It seems so puritanical and absurd. What if the two employees got married before anyone found out about the affair? I bet they'd be protected both legally and in terms of moral or business implications.

It appears many states actually prevent firing based on marital status: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111041550490175318

From that one, "One reason is that about 20 states and many cities ban employment discrimination on the basis of marital status. If a married employee who has an affair is fired and an unmarried employee who has an affair isn't, the fired employee in those states conceivably could claim illegal discrimination, attorneys say. Thus, many employers turn a blind eye to marital cheating."

Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by tptacek on Thursday October 25, 2018 @04:54PM (#18304504)
We're not talking about marital status, nor do we care that Drummond was married at the time the affair began. We care about the fact that he had the affair with a subordinate.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by ashelmire on Friday October 26, 2018 @02:12PM (#18311560)
You seem to not get it.

Situation 1: Person A and B are married and have a sexual relationship. A is a VP, B is just a regular worker. Nobody has a problem with this, and policies generally don't have any problem with coworkers being married.

Situation 2: Person A and B are not married and have a sexual relationship. A is a VP, B is just a regular worker. Some people have a problem with this, and policies often have a problem with coworkers being married.

That's called discrimination based on marital status (or lack thereof).

Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by JamesBarney on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:08PM (#18312352)
In case you didn't know, most companies would feel very uncomfortable with situation 1. Creating a situation where someone is managing their significant other is asking for disaster.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by wpietri on Saturday October 27, 2018 @11:57AM (#18316279)
Absolutely. I knew a couple who met and married at American Express. It was strictly forbidden that one manage the other. I suspect that's the case at most large companies.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by sonnyblarney on Thursday October 25, 2018 @02:31PM (#18303317)
Termination at will doesn't cover things that violates people's rights, and a whole host of other things.

You can't fire someone because they are black, or gay, or Mormon, or get sick - and probably not because they fall in love with each other either.

Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by nradov on Thursday October 25, 2018 @02:40PM (#18303388)
Most US employers absolutely can legally fire an employee because of who they fall in love with, as long as the action isn't based on a policy which disproportionately impacts a protected class.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by sonnyblarney on Thursday October 25, 2018 @02:47PM (#18303452)
Maybe you're right, but I'm doubtful. I wonder how it would hold up in a big supreme court challenge (or maybe it has already ... I'm not an expert)
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by dionidium on Thursday October 25, 2018 @03:39PM (#18303919)
On what grounds are you doubtful? The concept of protected classes is well-defined and well-tested and "office lovebirds" aren't one of those classes.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by haikuginger on Thursday October 25, 2018 @10:37PM (#18306345)
For fuck's sake, "being gay" isn't even one of those classes.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by CalChris on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:51AM (#18307064)
Federal protected class, no. But in CA, yeah, it is.

https://www.employmentattorneyla.com/blog/2017/06/what-are-c...

Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by FireBeyond on Thursday October 25, 2018 @04:28PM (#18304298)
About the same as "employee says controversial thing in personal life". In other words, employer has absolutely every right to fire them for their self-expression.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by sonnyblarney on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:51PM (#18311429)
"About the same as "employee says controversial thing in personal life""

No way. Two people falling in love is not in the same category as someone saying public things.

Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by tptacek on Thursday October 25, 2018 @02:55PM (#18303535)
You think maybe employment at will is just waiting to be tested in the Supreme Court?
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by sonnyblarney on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:52PM (#18311434)
"You think maybe employment at will is just waiting to be tested in the Supreme Court?"

It's in court right now.

And it always will be.

Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by richardknop on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:18AM (#18307585)
Maybe it should.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by Itaxpica on Thursday October 25, 2018 @02:55PM (#18303528)
Yes but "rights" are legally defined, not just 'well I feel like I have a right to this'. Employees dating their subordinates is not a protected class, so "and probably not because they fall in love with each other either" is factually incorrect.
Re:Google paid Andy Rubin $90M while keeping silent about a ... by baq on Thursday October 25, 2018 @04:42PM (#18304404)
termination for no reason is not the same as termination for any reason.