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Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by stupidbird on Monday October 22, 2018 @10:43PM (#18280360)
If they were instructed to do so by the government they would not really have a choice, which would very likely produce leaks.

If true, this is vastly different from the government requesting a backdoor or various warrant canaries, this would be an actual national security threat.

Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by vlovich123 on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @12:14AM (#18280666)
Is there any mechanism that the government can use to force you to lie? I know they can keep you silent but forcing you to say anything, true or otherwise, feels like a huge 1st amendment issue as the government can't typically compel speech, can it? I'm not a lawyer so curious on the perspective of someone who might know the details better.
Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by nneonneo on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:37AM (#18283702)
Under certain circumstances the government can force a person or corporation to produce speech that is true - for instance, they are allowed to force you to file your taxes. However, there has never been a case to my knowledge where the government has been able to compel a lie - and any attempt to do so would immediately be subject to a legal case over constitutionality.
Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by nneonneo on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @12:03AM (#18280638)
It would also be compelled speech, and from what I've read,

> governments have the right to mandate corporate speech “if the information in the disclosure is reasonably related to a substantial governmental interest and is purely factual.”

(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-otc-speech/when-the-gover...)

Since that would not be the case here, I do not believe it would be legally defensible for the government to compel false statements out of both Apple and Amazon.

(IANAL, so do take this with a grain of salt)

Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by stupidbird on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @12:50PM (#18285078)
Why would it have to be compelled?

The government could say "look here, this is an actual national security issue" and Apple, Amazon, etc could say "oh shit, you're right - how can we help?"

If this were a real national security risk, what incentive would Apple, Amazon, etc have to tell divulge the truth rather than cooperating with the government? This is vastly different than saying no to a requested NSA backdoor.

Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by vlovich123 on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @12:22AM (#18280695)
Actually, that's not the latest news on that. I looked up that case on scotusblog & it was vacated based on the result of "National Institute of Family and Life Advocates v. Becerra" which I believe overturns the 9th Circuit's ruling on this although I'm not totally sure. Regardless, you're right. No ruling has held the government has the right to compel factually incorrect speech.