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Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @12:01PM (#18275782)
An interesting mirroring of the popular CoCs these days. While they enshrine what one could call "San Francisco Democrat" values, this CoC enshrines christian conservative values.

If you think value-based CoCs are fine, you shouldn't have a problem with this.

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by joshberkus on Monday October 22, 2018 @02:10PM (#18276880)
They're certainly Christian values, but they're not "conservative", at least not by the American definition. I'll point you to these tenets:

* Relieve the poor. * Clothe the naked. * Visit the sick.

... those seem like "liberal values" to me, at least on the American spectrum.

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by clarkmoody on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:44PM (#18277723)
Christ never advocates for the state to do anything. These are individual commands.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by manicdee on Monday October 22, 2018 @05:40PM (#18278782)
Christ does exhort his followers to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and Democrats believe the state acts on behalf of the populace to perform tasks that we individually could not do. So a community can clothe and house the poor better than an individual can.

Clothing and housing are artefacts of this world, not the kingdom of Christ. Ergo rendering unto Caesar what is caesar’s involves providing clothing and housing to those who do not have it, with the state as proxy and effort multiplier.

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by clarkmoody on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:30AM (#18284214)
Yeah, the "render unto Caesar" episode was so much deeper than just "pay your taxes."

Also, whatever the state does, it accomplishes through the threat of violence to collect taxes. For a Christian, the ends are as important as the means.

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by anbro on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:17PM (#18277458)
I think they can be both - the liberal vs conservative part is merely the means by which you do so - do you vote small parts of other people's property to the task or do you donate your own property voluntarily to the task.

And lest this seem like a conservative jab - it is not intended in any such manner - I willingly admit that in those times the system worked completely different than it does now in ways that would create a great deal of consternation in both modern liberals AND conservatives.

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:45PM (#18277735)
Not to get into a huge political philosophy discussion here, but conservative people are on average some of the biggest donators to charitable groups who focus on tenets such as these. The "liberals" don't have a corner on wanting to help people, although people disagree how that help should be organised.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by atom-morgan on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:09AM (#18292534)
Isn't homelessness the worst in California?
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by gwright on Thursday October 25, 2018 @07:52PM (#18305648)
You are explicitly associating virtuous characteristics with "liberals" and suggesting that "conservatives" don't have those virtues.

Very divisive and unfounded IMHO.

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by archagon on Monday October 22, 2018 @01:15PM (#18276429)
If you are equivocating this CoC to Republican conservative values, you are laughably wrong.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:39PM (#18277685)
I did not say Republican. Nor did I mean Republican.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by drngdds on Monday October 22, 2018 @12:40PM (#18276126)
Because I'm not a complete moral relativist, I think there is a difference between good values and bad values
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @12:58PM (#18276285)
That's almost a tautology. Everyone find their own values good, and other people's values less good (if not downright bad).

In any case, you might have gained some understanding of why other people get upset, when _your_ values are imposed on them.

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by sagichmal on Monday October 22, 2018 @01:14PM (#18276420)
And those people are wrong. It's OK, and necessary, for human beings to make ethical judgments. The correct position is one that minimizes suffering, not one that absolves itself of the responsibility to make difficult choices, in deference to some arbitrary, inhumane objectivity.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by woolvalley on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:02PM (#18277320)
'Rule of Saint Francisco' :D
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by stupidbird on Monday October 22, 2018 @02:14PM (#18276922)
Of course value-based CoCs are fine. The problem with this isn't the content, it's the fact that they're using the content because they fundamentally disagree with codes of conduct.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:48PM (#18277765)
So you would be fine if projects started adoping CoCs like these, if they did so seriously?
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by stupidbird on Monday October 22, 2018 @05:23PM (#18278660)
Their house, their rules. I can choose to not participate.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by drb91 on Monday October 22, 2018 @02:40PM (#18277120)
What values are you referring to?
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:40PM (#18277693)
By "San Francisco Democrat"? I mean the values held by the average Democrat-voting San Franciscan.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by drb91 on Monday October 22, 2018 @04:21PM (#18278117)
...capitalism?
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @05:06PM (#18278523)
So what is the game here? Put a random noun between "…" and "?"?

Let me try:

…airhockey?

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by drb91 on Monday October 22, 2018 @05:39PM (#18278773)
Are you trying to communicate or be a dick? The only universal value I am aware of in san francisco is capitalism.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @07:38PM (#18279559)
I would ask the same thing of you. Are you playing dumb or are you really not aware that SF is kinda out there on the U.S. left wing?

If I, a european who've only visited the U.S. a handful of times, know more of U.S. politics than you do, I really don't know what to say.

Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by drb91 on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @05:27AM (#18281942)
It’s only left wing in a very meaningless definition of left wing. I live there :) San Francisco hasn’t deserved the reputation for decades at this point. It’s the stronghold of Pelosi, a neoliberal and a staunch centrist. Ditto with Feinstein.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by _kbso on Monday October 22, 2018 @08:22PM (#18279809)
It sounds like you have no clue what "left wing" means when you refer to capitalists as "left wing". Because generally, it refers to anti-capitalists (socialists, anarchists etc).
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by roguecoder on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:30PM (#18277587)
By "San Francisco Democrat" do you mean "gay people exist and are fine"? Or "women are an equal part of society"? I'm having trouble unraveling your dogwhistle here.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by jymbo on Monday October 22, 2018 @04:10PM (#18278011)
You're basically saying that putting "SF Dem" in front of anything makes it less evil. Brainwashed.
Re:Sqlite: Code Of Conduct by mikl on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:38PM (#18277672)
Maybe it would go better if you just took my words at face value instead of trying to find some way to misinterpret them.