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Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by ajross on Sunday October 21, 2018 @09:38PM (#18271524)
Isn't the solution to that problem branding and not nationalist policing by the retailer? I mean, reading your post I don't see what Amazon can do to make you happy except ban "chinese" manufacturers.

If you're seriously a regular buyer of these products, surely you have a few manufacturers that you know and trust, just like serious hobbyists in other activities have preferred brands of balls or shoes or guitar strings or whatever. Can't you just search for those?

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by frotak on Sunday October 21, 2018 @09:50PM (#18271575)
> or search by brand name and even than the real ones are usually on page 2 with page one featuring the same crap from China

So he does search for specific brands and is still stymied by Amazon ranking algorithms.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by sombremesa on Sunday October 21, 2018 @09:55PM (#18271592)
Arguably, it's actually Amazon's search algorithms that are to blame. Those have been known for a long time to be sub-par, now, at least since 2012 (when I worked there).

If you search for a brand name, products without that brand name anywhere should just not show up, period. (I suppose an exception is if you just don't have it, kind of like when Netflix shows "shows related to" when they don't have what you're actually looking for.)

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by TeMPOraL on Monday October 22, 2018 @01:06AM (#18272317)
> kind of like when Netflix shows "shows related to" when they don't have what you're actually looking for.

I wish they would fix that and make it communicate clearly that they don't have this show, and the following are just the alternatives. Because with the UX looking identical for when there is a match and when there is none, this feels like a cheap attempt at duping people into watching something anyway.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by mschuster91 on Monday October 22, 2018 @08:41AM (#18274121)
> I wish they would fix that and make it communicate clearly that they don't have this show, and the following are just the alternatives.

I'd like if they'd say "we have this show in the markets X, Y and Z. If you'd like a change, write an email to <insert mail of studio here> or tweet to @studio."

This way, studios could finally be subjected to shitstorms. After enough of these, maybe they'll turn down their greed somewhat. I don't want to pay six different streaming providers, that gets more expensive than US cable tv prices...

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by umichguy on Monday October 22, 2018 @04:43AM (#18273089)
"kind of like when Netflix shows "shows related to" when they don't have what you're actually looking for."

I wouldn't mind that to be honest. And I've discovered some shows/ movies which were pretty damn good (but not mainstream) just based on this sort of logic. I most likely would've never discovered them otherwise.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by cgriswald on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:30AM (#18275452)
Showing related shows is a nice feature. The Netflix implementation feels mildly manipulative. It is as if they are pretending the film or show you are looking for does not exist and hoping you will just watch something else on their network rather than leave for another network.

I'd much rather see an acknowledgment that the show exists and that they don't carry it, and a list of related titles separated by actor, genre, director, etc. If contract allows, they could even include a "Coming on %month %date" if a licensing agreement has been reached but is not yet active. That might make me just wait until they have the title and find something else to watch now, rather than checking if (say) HBO has the movie. Additionally, they could have a "request this title" button, even if it does nothing because they're already basing their leasings on search data.

I'd also like a list of places I can view it a la gowatchit.com, but I can understand why they don't do that.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by cortesoft on Sunday October 21, 2018 @10:17PM (#18271678)
Right, but those other products pay Amazon to show them when someone searches the competitor’s brand, so they will keep showing them even if you don’t want to see it.
Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by alsetmusic on Monday October 22, 2018 @12:58AM (#18272286)
> Arguably, it's actually Amazon's search algorithms that are to blame. Those have been known for a long time to be sub-par, now, at least since 2012 (when I worked there).

You’re conflating direct experience with the masses. My parents didn’t work there. They wouldn’t know if I didn’t tell them. I think most people aren’t having this conversation.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by inanutshellus on Sunday October 21, 2018 @09:59PM (#18271611)
Two things: First, he covered that by saying searching by brand still had his "real" search results on page 2. Second, maybe you're super young, but Amazon used to be "good stuff", not just "hey, let's compete with eBay, on their level." What if you actually don't know the difference between "good" arrows and "bad" arrows? It used to be that Amazon had already made that call for you.

Amazon used to be the place you bought from without effort. "Of course Amazon's going to give me the best item for the best price" was the ubiquitous mindset.

Now the Amazon brand name is garbage (to me). Their prices are so mercurial you can't rely on them being even "average" and odds are they're even predatory (since it's just some random guy setting his selling price, not amazon nor MSRP).

"Fool and His Money" capitalism rules the Amazon Marketplace.

It's the worst part of eBay without the low expectations and transparency.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by TheRealDunkirk on Sunday October 21, 2018 @11:07PM (#18271891)
> It used to be that Amazon had already made that call for you.

This is why I've gone back to buying from brick-and-mortar stores. They've done the curation. They're not going to carry junk that always gets returned. Ten years ago, if I could buy it from Amazon, with Prime shipping, I wouldn't leave my seat. Now, if I can buy it from Target, Best Buy, or Kroger, I'll just make the trip. Good work, Amazon. I've canceled my auto-renew for Prime. I'm done.

Unfortunately, NewEgg also seems to be following in Amazon's "marketplace" footsteps. If you're listening, guys, you have an opportunity to NOT do this!...

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by sverige on Monday October 22, 2018 @01:19AM (#18272363)
Yes, ditto on newegg. My heroes for fighting patent trolls and building the best shopping cart ever and having good products at good prices. Lately it's been in decline though. Haven't bought anything there for over a year.
Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by spacehome on Monday October 22, 2018 @02:38AM (#18272624)
The patent troll-fighting heroes have moved on from Newegg. It’s owned by different people now.
Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by sten on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:38AM (#18275529)
What's the alternative to newegg if I may ask?
Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by spacehome on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @05:34AM (#18281980)
Does it need a replacement? Newegg still sells a wide selection of genuine parts at reasonable prices.
Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by castlecrasher2 on Sunday October 21, 2018 @11:16PM (#18271939)
>They're not going to carry junk that always gets returned

I'm guessing you mean specialty stores, and not Walmart.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by chx on Monday October 22, 2018 @04:32AM (#18273051)
> Their prices are so mercurial

I was discussing a barbell set with my trainer and by the time I got around to buy it next morning it doubled in price. Came back down in a week. WTF.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by Applejinx on Monday October 22, 2018 @05:46AM (#18273340)
Could they have observed you looking at it?
Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by ardy42 on Monday October 22, 2018 @09:42AM (#18274547)
> Could they have observed you looking at it?

Maybe, but any website that does that is being so unbelievably short-sighted and consumer-hostile that they deserve to go out of business and bankrupt their owners.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by gaius on Monday October 22, 2018 @02:05AM (#18272524)
Thanks to Amazon commingling you can order a genuine brand and get a fake anyway.
Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by losteric on Sunday October 21, 2018 @11:24PM (#18271980)
Uh, QA? The source nation isn't the problem, is that Amazon is listing those crappy products over quality items.

Although, I would LOVE if Amazon let me filter out products not made in America.

Re:Fake review factories that run on Facebook and post five-... by nitrogen on Sunday October 21, 2018 @11:33PM (#18272003)
I'd love a retail site that let me search by useful criteria, like country of origin, ingredients (e.g. food must contain or must not contain X), dimensions (not just '3" to 9"' when I want exactly 6.5"), etc. Amazon has most of the data already listed in tables on the product pages.

I want Octopart for everything else.