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Re:Book Spines by mynegation on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:49PM (#1826680)
For all of you design junkies here, Lebedev's ru/kovodstvo (or com/mandership for English language version and .com domain) is a very interesting read. Too bad "business lynch" is not available in English. This is where aspiring designers send their works to Lebedev and he or his employees do a review (mostly disparaging and with lots of profanities).
Re:Book Spines by splat on Sunday October 24, 2010 @12:37PM (#1826480)
The practice of printing titles top-to-bottom vs. bottom-to-top seems to be more than a Western Europe vs. Eastern Europe thing, though, because French books (and I think German as well) are printed bottom-to-top just like Russian books.
Re:Book Spines by julius_geezer on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:05PM (#1826540)
Also Italian.

I really don't care, either, except that it can lead to discomfort when one is browsing a mixed shelf, say at book sale.

Re:Book Spines by woodpanel on Sunday October 24, 2010 @02:34PM (#1826814)
Germany: Bottom-To-Top.

I've only seen Top-To-Bottom-Spines on US-Books so far. Also agree with the point, that if a book is lying face-up there's no need for readable spine-text. If it's face-down, there is.

Re:Book Spines by barrkel on Sunday October 24, 2010 @03:48PM (#1827041)
On a stack of books, though, it does make a difference. Books below the top book do not have a readable cover.

All English-language books I've ever seen beside foreign-language books (so that I could notice the distinction) read from top to bottom. It's not just the US.

Re:Book Spines by varjag on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:51PM (#1826686)
Given how literary Russian is an artifact of 19th century francophones, it's no wonder.
Re:Book Spines by patrickgzill on Sunday October 24, 2010 @11:27PM (#1828366)
Can you explain your view a little more?

I thought that modern Russian literature is generally thought of as being kick-started by Pushkin and his generation.

Re:Book Spines by varjag on Monday October 25, 2010 @03:16AM (#1828902)
Yes, and Pushkin was a francophone - most of Russian noblemen were. As were most writers of the 19th century: if you flip through War and Peace, it is easy to notice that much of the book is written plainly in French.

Hence literary Russian is very heavy with borrowings from French, which became so ingrained into the fabric of the language that native speakers don't even notice.

Re:Book Spines by ugh on Sunday October 24, 2010 @12:40PM (#1826486)
I just looked at my bookshelf, German books are indeed also printed bottom-to-top.
Re:Book Spines by jessriedel on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:46PM (#1826674)
This seems to be one of the many cases where a priori neither technique is much more preferable than the other, but where it's much more desirable that something be chosen as a standard than that there is disagreement.
Re:Book Spines by ErrantX on Sunday October 24, 2010 @05:04PM (#1827285)
I have a few friends who still use the old practice in their libraries of rebinding books to have the same cover style & lettering.

Never understood it. I find something quite profound/exciting in a big bookshelf full of different sorts of books :)

Re:Book Spines by lsc on Sunday October 24, 2010 @06:56PM (#1827597)
I have a few friends who still use the old practice in their libraries of rebinding books to have the same cover style & lettering.

wow, that sounds expensive. On the other hand, as far as ostentatious displays of wealth go, that sounds like one of the more classy ones.

Re:Book Spines by ErrantX on Sunday October 24, 2010 @07:01PM (#1827615)
Nah, it can be stupidly expensive to go to a binder. But pasteboard and some fabric plus stencil letters is fairly cheap. You can rebind a book for about $10 or less.

(admittedly not perfectly, but enough to look good and last).

It started because a group of us at uni found out we really really love books, it was a bit of an addiction actually, so we started our "libraries" for a bit of fun.

Originally we were meant to have read every book for it to count :) but that quickly became impractical. I have about 6,000 books (most in boxes, sadly, till I find a bigger place) but that is small compared to some of the group :)

Not always a recommended hobby; it is impossible to walk past a second hand bookshop now, and they are surprisingly common :)

Re:Book Spines by lsc on Sunday October 24, 2010 @07:18PM (#1827659)
I also really like books. Some time I will write a bit about my experiences as a (online) bookseller. A lot of the attraction was having all these books. At my peak, I had more than you do. When I dumped the business I cut back to a reasonable number (and they aren't in inventory anymore, so I can't tell you how many I have.)

Personally, though, I'd rather spend time reading the books than rebinding them so they look nicer.

but yeah, I can understand the want to collect books, even books that you likely won't have time to read. But, I mean, if it's not something you are likely to read, it's more of a collectible or decoration than a book, especially if you are going to put a lot of labor into making them look good, which is why I say it sounds like a display of wealth.

Re:Book Spines by jseliger on Sunday October 24, 2010 @05:34PM (#1827370)
Speaking of anachronistic habits, I like bookplates: http://www.bookplateink.com , which you can now have custom-printed.

People have strange habits when it comes to books, or almost anything else.

Re:Book Spines by kemayo on Sunday October 24, 2010 @12:41PM (#1826492)
Maybe I'm missing the point, but I don't see any legibility-on-shelf difference between top-to-bottom and bottom-to-top. Either way you need to tilt your head a bit...

Does anyone actually see a difference in readability here?

Re:Book Spines by bradleyland on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:13PM (#1826561)
It's all about the order of the lines. Let's assume the following is printed on two lines:

> 1: Fear and Loathing > 2: In Las Vegas

If rotated to the right (considered top-to-bottom), line #2 is to the reader's left when viewed on a book shelf. This is opposite the traditional left-to-right reading direction we use in west.

Whether or not this impacts you individually isn't as significant as the difference in reading direction outlined above.

I tend to side with the "local" belief that "when the book is lying face-up, its spine is of little value, because you can read all you want on the cover."

Re:Book Spines by Groxx on Sunday October 24, 2010 @03:18PM (#1826939)
How about face-up in a stack of books? Fastest way to find them, too, as then the lines are identical to how people read, no head-tilting needed.
Re:Book Spines by wyuenho on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:48PM (#1826677)

  I tend to side with the "local" belief that "when the book   is lying face-up, its spine is of little value, because you   can read all you want on the cover."
I side with the belief that book bindings and cover directions should be in line with the language that book is written in.

In East Asia, tradition dictates that books are opened from left to right, using your right hand, with the spine on the right. As to the direction of the book title on the spine, there's no disagreement, because how it is written on the spine is how it is written on the pages - top to bottom and right to left.

Too bad Chinese books these days are starting to read like a western book. I wonder if it had anything to do with GOST 7.84–2002. It's either that or M$ Word has screwed everyone else's writing and printing tradition.

Re:Book Spines by greatgoof on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:54PM (#1826694)
From http://www.sarm.am/en/standarts/view/2550 regarding countries where GOST 7.84-2002 is accepted : Ukraina Turkmenistan Russian Federation Uzbekistan Tadjikistan Moldova Kazakhstan Georgia Belorussia Armenia Kirgizstan Azebaijan
Re:Book Spines by kgo on Sunday October 24, 2010 @04:29PM (#1827169)
Interesting, but if a wrong-endian book is in a bookshelf or a pile, can't you just correct the problem by inserting it upside-down? The only case where I'd notice a difference is the top book in a stack.
Re:Book Spines by balding_n_tired on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:36AM (#1829712)
Certainly you can, but I find that bookstores generally don't, and I don't at home--force of habit.
Re:Book Spines by greatgoof on Sunday October 24, 2010 @12:59PM (#1826528)
I didn't see much difference in readability either. But its fascinating, the variety in viewpoints regarding something that most of us would not even give a second thought about.
Re:Book Spines by icco on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:47PM (#1826676)
Anyone else bothered by the opening quote? Why are people learning about hygiene in a university? I thought we were taught that in the third grade...
Re:Book Spines by mynegation on Sunday October 24, 2010 @01:55PM (#1826701)
I am not because I am Russian :) Seriously though, this joke is an example of a classical sub-genre of Russian jokes where Russians prove their superiority in various areas of life (including, ironically, heavy drinking) over westerners (usually Americans, but sometimes French and Germans).

Any unrealistic assumptions are irrelevant, punchline is all that matters :)

Re:Book Spines by NickPollard on Sunday October 24, 2010 @06:06PM (#1827455)
I've heard the joke before in various forms, most commonly using two prestigious British public schools (Harrow and Eton). I wonder what the original form was?
Re:Book Spines by icco on Sunday October 24, 2010 @02:04PM (#1826729)
The joke is hilarious, don't get me wrong, I just found the assumption kind of silly too :p
Re:Book Spines by gallerytungsten on Sunday October 24, 2010 @02:49PM (#1826864)
Very amusing site!

I liked in particular the tiny paragraph numbers running down the left column.