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Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by resoluteteeth on Friday October 19, 2018 @10:42AM (#18257021)
Couching this in terms of Japanese culture is unhelpful in my opinion. The return gifts probably wouldn't exist in the first place elsewhere, but allowing them is simply a blatant loophole that various local governments have cynically abused to increase their revenue and this is something that would happen in any country.

The biggest problem is that some local governments are apparently giving return gifts that have a value that's higher than the 2000 yen part of the hometown tax that isn't tax deductible, which means that by opting in to donating to these local governments you do slightly better than if you didn't donate money in the first place. These governments are obviously trying to get people with absolutely no local connection to send money purely for the gifts.

One option would be to set a limit on the value of the gifts, but there's absolutely zero reason to allow the return gifts in the first place. The whole reason for the first 2000 yen not being tax deductible is this is something you are only supposed to do if you seriously want your money to go to a local government, and allowing non-taxed return gifts defeats the intention of how the system is set up. Having tax money go back into return gifts is also ridiculously inefficient.

Unfortunately, based on the way the government is set up, rural votes have disproportionate power, and for this reason the LDP has a tendency to pander to rural interests, so they probably have no interest in eliminating the gifts entirely. However, at least they recently announced that they are looking into introducing legislation to limit the value of gifts (and ban the worst abusers from participating entirely) in the next regular session of the Diet.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by megaman2 on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:56AM (#18257623)
> but there's absolutely zero reason to allow the return gifts in the first place

There are reasons, but just ones that you don't agree with or haven't thought of. You need to understand that reciprocation is in the culture, and people are not purely rational economic actors. It's entirely possible some towns would outright refuse 'assistance' without being able to reciprocate somehow.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jfroma on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:04PM (#18258135)
Isn't the person donating to their hometown the tax, giving something to the town (reciprocation) for the education and childhood they had in the hometown in the first place?

Where does the reciprocation ends? You give money to your hometown because you have very found memories and you feel grateful about the education etc., your hometown sends you plums, you send a pie to thank the plums, then they respond back with something else, ad infinitum.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by megaman2 on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:52PM (#18258561)
Ha, well, if you take your (pathological) example and apply the 30% reciprocation value rule, then no, it does not go ad infinitum, but there is eventually the floor of $0.

But more practically speaking, from the perspective of say, the mayor of a town in Japan - he has revenue being conciously directed towards him from mostly anonymous citizens of the country. Reciving a real (monetary) gift from someone you hardly know definitely would require a reciprocation. In some ways, sure, you're reciprocating to your hometown for your education/etc, but it's not being seen that way from the town's perspective.

There's also the factor that the redirected tax revenue is a physical thing, where as the 'education and life experience' imbued upon a child growing up is a rather non tangible gift .

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by rtpg on Saturday October 20, 2018 @11:21AM (#18263643)
I mean there's the stereotype of the "thank you" note for the birthday gifts. You bring a gift to someone hosting a dinner party at their house.

There's of course a cynical tax play here. But it is entirely possible that people also _feel good for helping their hometowns_. Sure, there's the vouchers, but there are also the (not super resellable) plums!

It's maintaining emotional bonds in the community. At least that's the most optimistic way of thinking about it

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by munk-a on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:23PM (#18257798)
This is a thing, definitely, but I don't think it's something we can't talk about and criticize. The fact that this cultural tradition has caused a well-intentioned(ish, if you're rural) tax law to become a big loop hole is a bad thing. I'm certain if they thought this was going to be an issue (with small towns refusing the money) some more reasonable solution could be found.

The town I grew up in, Boston, receives a christmas tree every year from Nova Scotia due to the fact that Boston sent a lot of emergency aide to Halifax and the surrounds after a large explosion there in 1917. Something similar could be done with small towns sending local art and culture items to large cities in free exhibitions to demonstrate what the tax money is benefiting or just as a gift or maybe a small japanese town might sponsor a fair in Tokyo where free plums are available using a portion of the tax money they received. This would be a way to express thanks in a common manner for the sum of the donations made by citizens without creating perverse tax loop holes that are exploited to simply lower the amount of money coming out of your pocket.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by megaman2 on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:42PM (#18258462)
I agree with you that we should be able to talk about it and criticize it, but I think declaring 'there are no reasons for this' requires more thoughts on the perspectives of the individuals or entities involved.

Certainly it is a (somewhat mitigated) loophole that can be exploited, so in that respect it is not good. But weighed against the positive impact for the rural towns and the connection it makes back to hometowns, you could argue it's worth it.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by dublidu on Friday October 19, 2018 @10:41PM (#18261430)
So kickbacks are ok as long as they’re part of the culture?
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by swolchok on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:46AM (#18257541)
> based on the way the government is set up, rural votes have disproportionate power, and for this reason the LDP has a tendency to pander to rural interests

Is there a Western government that isn't set up this way? You could write this same blurb about the United States. I would be very curious to hear about what happens when rural areas have political power consummate with their population instead of with their land area or with the mere fact of their historical existence. (For example, does it look less or more "fair"? Are there unexpected consequences, like maybe further depopulation of rural areas?)

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by resoluteteeth on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:09PM (#18257713)
It's actually interesting because in the US it's enshrined in the constitution with the way the senate is set up, so it's not even viewed as a problem.

In Japan the central government isn't supposed to work this way and it is as least viewed as a problem: the disparity in the power of votes is considered unconstitutional, but the supreme court isn't willing to actually invalidate election results (they made up a distinction between being "unconstitutional" and being in an "unconstitutional state" which is not at all supported by precedent (although it's a civil law country so technically there's no binding precedent) or the constitution), so the ruling LDP does the absolute bare minimum to act like they're trying to improve the situation so they can pretend their doing something while actually dragging their feet as much as possible.

Probably the main negative consequence of ensuring that all votes have equal power would be to make it easier for the central government to ignore the wishes of rural areas, but this depends on how the government is structured in other ways.

In Japan, prefectures are relatively weak. For example, Okinawa recently attempted to invalidate approval for filling in of land for the new US military base because residents of Okinawa want the base out, but there's basically zero chance that this will actually end up working because the central government considers the base essentially for national security.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by mikeash on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:15PM (#18258214)
It’s absolutely viewed as a problem in the US. For the most part, those who don’t think it’s a problem are those who benefit from it, and those who do are those who suffer from it.
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by Frondo on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:05PM (#18258143)
Just one nitpick: the anti-democratic nature of the Senate (and the Electoral college, while we're at it) is very much seen as a problem by a lot of people living outside the sparsely populated rural states;

For those of us living in urban areas, we're simply vastly underrepresented in federal government, and quite a few of us don't like it.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:11PM (#18258190)
So you want to reduce the representation from the "fly-over states" so that all elections and all federal government decisions are decided by California and New York?

That's not going to work very well, and would lead to the secession of about 90% of the states, and then you'd find out that your urban paradises depend absolutely on the rest of the country to exist.

The founding fathers set up a pretty good system, and they specifically did not set up a democracy for a whole bunch of relatively obvious reasons. Straight democracy doesn't work.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by Silfen on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:23PM (#18258287)
You should extend more generosity to the point GP makes. You can believe in adjusting the system so that representation is more equal without doing away with the protections for small states. For example, you can greatly increase the size of the House. It's the original first amendment! http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/its-ti...
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:27PM (#18258323)
The house already adequately represents the people, that's how it was designed.

Expanding the house doesn't change representation.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by dragonwriter on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:32PM (#18258369)
> The house already adequately represents the people

By what standard?

> that's how it was designed.

That may have been the design goal, but it's debatable whether the original design met the goal, and key elements of the original design (the original representation ratio) were not fixed in the Constitution or preserved over time.

> Expanding the house doesn't change representation.

It changes both the equality of representation (reducing quantization artifacts) and the proximity of Representatives to the represented, both of which are key elements of representation.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by Latteland on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @05:02PM (#18287450)
The house doesn't represent the people in the sense that the party that got a significant majority of the votes has a significant minority of the seats because of gerrymandering.
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @07:58AM (#18291613)
It's an interesting argument, but the house isn't a monolith that represents the entire US as a bloc - it's a regional thing that represents individual regions, and actually the vast majority of those areas in the US do not belong to the minority party. Overall popular vote is not how we elect the house.

You can argue about gerrymandering all day long, both sides do it and have done it since the beginning.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by chuckkir on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:22PM (#18258273)
Actually, according to the original plan, the House of Representatives should have grown so that each member represents a roughly equal number of constituents (excepting very small population states which still get one). At some point it was capped at 435 (I presume for space reasons) and the disparity of representation has increased since. So it seems that more power has been transferred to rural states than the founders had originally envisioned.
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:43PM (#18258469)
The rural states' power in federal government is largely imaginary. In many elections, they have gone overwhelmingly for the losing candidate. If you look at a county by county map of the last election and then realize that the winner of the election actually lost the popular vote even after taking something like 85% of the counties in the US and you can still make the argument that the population centers should have more representation it's really just a naked left wing power grab at that point -- and likely an argument made by someone who has never really lived in rural America and doesn't understand it.

Yes, you have more people in the population centers. They're generally a very homogenous group by political thought, and vote almost as a left wing bloc in most cases. You're simply arguing that the left should be more powerful than it is. Nobody cries about the electoral college until a Republican wins. Nobody cries about representation when the left is in power.

There are things that are wrong in the US political system, but the electoral college and the house representation aren't those things. They're the best of the bad solutions to keeping away from a tyranny.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jedberg on Friday October 19, 2018 @03:24PM (#18259258)
That’s because out of the five times that the electoral college winner was not the popular winner, four times it was a Republican who won and the fifth time the Republicans didn’t exist yet (but the winner was the more conservative candidate).

And also, the majority of this country votes democrat in every election since 2000, but because of gerrymandering the house retains a Republican majority. If the house matched the breakdown of national popular votes for house reps, it would be significantly Democrat.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Monday October 22, 2018 @01:41PM (#18276652)
The Dems gerrymander just as much as the Rs do.

You're using a tiny fraction of history to discuss this, and even within that tiny fraction your numbers are incorrect as the the dems held the majority from 2007 to 2011 and only lost it in the backlash from the health care debacle.

Also the national popular vote is totally irrelevant to the house membership. It's not set up that way.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by skinnymuch on Saturday October 20, 2018 @09:07AM (#18263121)
When has a Democrat ever won for the electoral college to a problem? It’s always be conservatives/Republicans.
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by bllguo on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:36PM (#18258403)
an absurd strawman. To you there's no way to increase representation from more populous states without letting decisions be dominated by CA and NY? Can we argue in good faith here?

Pretty sure the rest of the country depends on states like CA and NY as well. It is hardly a one-way street.

There are many objective criticisms of the system. Like election methods, for instance. I personally think it's ridiculous to suggest that our understanding of governance and political systems hasn't increased enough to substantially improve the US. It's been 300 years.

I would point to the amendment system as evidence that the founding fathers knew they hadn't made a perfect system. I would point to the fact that they explicitly warned against political parties to show that the system is not at all what they intended. And lastly I want to say that this deification of the founding fathers is a big part of the problem.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Friday October 19, 2018 @02:19PM (#18258779)
So get an amendment passed.

Just remember, you have to get 2/3 of the states -- including all your fly-over states.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by int_19h on Saturday October 20, 2018 @12:01AM (#18261706)
You need 2/3 of the states for a convention. But you need 3/4 of the states to ratify.

Thing is, though, Constitution is just a piece of paper, if enough people - or states - believe that it is. Small states need to understand that the power that they wield is theirs only because the large states agree to abide by this arrangement. If that power is abused too much, the deal might just be altered - and in any such alteration, the larger and more powerful states will call the shots.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:25AM (#18275393)
But they won't, and that's the beauty of the way it was set up. Every state still gets two votes in the Senate, and you can't change that without an amendment.

The majority of the small states still have to sign off on "altering the deal" for it to pass.

The Constitution is far more than a piece of paper, it's the foundation of all law in the US.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by int_19h on Monday October 22, 2018 @09:43PM (#18280154)
You miss my point. If the small states keep abusing their power, eventually the large states are going to simply reject the Constitution - and there's no mechanism for the small states to force it on them. In the end, it's a consensus arrangement. It was adopted back in the day in the form that it originally had, because that was the only thing that all then-states could agree on. If it stops being a thing that enough states can agree on now, then it is just a piece of paper. It doesn't have any magical innate powers to enforce itself.
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @06:31AM (#18282208)
The large states can't "reject the Constitution". There aren't enough of them, and the mechanism to enforce it is the federal courts, who don't care how big a state is.

Access to the courts and their attendant enforcement mechanisms is not something restricted to the large states. Agreements were made, documents written and signed, and at least one bloody war fought to preserve that "just a piece of paper", and the result has been quite clear throughout the history of this nation.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jedberg on Friday October 19, 2018 @03:16PM (#18259208)
Just as a point of fact, the 100 largest cities in the US only represent about 20% of the total population. So no it wouldn’t just be big cities deciding everything.
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by smw on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:21PM (#18258267)
I think the math suggests that the rest of the country depends on the 'urban paradises' to fund it, at this point. Sure, less populous states grow food, but if they broke off, it seems likely they'd want to sell that excess food for something like market value, no?
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by jki275 on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:26PM (#18258314)
Maybe. Or maybe they'd decide to sell all their food elsewhere and you'd have food riots in your urban paradises.

But the contention is evidently that we need to remove their representation in federal government because people don't understand how the federal government was set up.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by eiaoa on Friday October 19, 2018 @02:28PM (#18258846)
> Just one nitpick: the anti-democratic nature of the Senate (and the Electoral college, while we're at it) is very much seen as a problem by a lot of people living outside the sparsely populated rural states;

It really depends on how you conceptualize it: there isn't much of an issue if you think of the Senate as a body that represents states as sovereign political entities not population. IIRC, Senators were originally elected by state legislatures, which made that role clearer.

If the Senate is to be reorganized to be proportional to population, some other "anti-democratic" compromise will need to be implemented to prevent small states from becoming neglected backwaters. The current comprise means neither small nor large states can ram through legislation that neglects the other's interests.

But to be honest, the cleaner solution to the problem is more federalism: increase the power of state governments over their own state, and correspondingly decrease the scope of the federal government over areas that aren't truly national concerns. The sacrifice there is that many groups would have to abandon their dreams of national dominance and satisfy themselves with regional influence.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by dragonwriter on Friday October 19, 2018 @02:52PM (#18259034)
> It really depends on how you conceptualize it: there isn't much of an issue if you think of the Senate as a body that represents states as sovereign political entities not population.

That doesn't remove the problen, it just clarifies that it is a fundamental design problem and not a problem with an implementation details.

> If the Senate is to be reorganized to be proportional to population

That's a bad solution.

A better solution is just to transfer it's quasi-executive powers to the House, and it's quasi-judicial powers either to the House or the Supreme Court (if the House, then some consideration may need to be done of how charging works for impeachment, but that's not an insurmountable problem), and perhaps reduce it's legislative powers as has been done with the similarly problematic British House of Lords.

Or (and this can be combined with the above) rearrange it so that both seats from a state are in the same class (elected simultaneously), and instead of FPTP mandate a two-seat, preference ballot, proportional method like STV for Senate elections.

Besides, you can't restructure the Senate to make it proportional to population (at least without unanimity among the states), as that is literally the one thing that an Amendment cannot do. (There used to be another, but that was time-limited.)

> The current comprise means neither small nor large states can ram through legislation that neglects the other's interests.

Small states are slightly overrepresented in the House, radically overrepresented in the Senate and in judging electoral votes, and overrepresented at a level between those two in the Electoral College.

There's no real compromise or two-sided balance there.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by eiaoa on Friday October 19, 2018 @04:02PM (#18259580)
> Small states are slightly overrepresented in the House, radically overrepresented in the Senate and in judging electoral votes, and overrepresented at a level between those two in the Electoral College.

It's only over-representation if representation must only be proportional to population.

> There's no real compromise or two-sided balance there.

There is a compromise and a two-sided balance: in the House, big states are "radically over-represented" because of their large populations; in the Senate, small-state individuals are "radically over-represented" because they're divided into more states per capita. Big states/urban areas have the power to block in the House, small states have the power to block in the Senate. The balance is that both sides have enough concentrated power that they're forced to compromise and cooperate or nothing can get done.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by TheCoelacanth on Friday October 19, 2018 @04:33PM (#18259822)
> It's only over-representation if representation must only be proportional to population.

Right, it's only over-representation if you believe that all men are created equal.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by eiaoa on Friday October 19, 2018 @04:36PM (#18259849)
>> It's only over-representation if representation must only be proportional to population.

> Right, it's only over-representation if you believe that all men are created equal.

You're being glib and forgetting important concepts like the tyranny of the majority, etc.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by dragonwriter on Friday October 19, 2018 @05:04PM (#18260049)
Overrepresentation of select groups doesn't prevent tyranny of the majority, it makes it more likely (and tilts which majority is likely to enjoy it), and even makes tyranny of the minority possible.

Tyranny of the majority can only be prevented by establishing norms that limit what government can do even with support of majorities in representative institutions either as absolute norms or with some things requiring a higher bar than a one-time majority (bicameralism with both houses not being elected fully simultaneously does this, requiring concurrence between branches does this, supermajority requirements for certain actions does this, Constitutional limitations with amendments requiring supermajorities of states even after legislative passage do this.)

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by TheCoelacanth on Friday October 19, 2018 @04:48PM (#18259944)
Because tyranny of the minority is much better...
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by eiaoa on Friday October 19, 2018 @06:01PM (#18260404)
> Because tyranny of the minority is much better...

That comment is basically a repetition of your last one with no further explanation or elaboration. It's pretty clear that you have the opinion that political representation should only be proportional to population and that all other systems are bad. We can't have a discussion if you don't want to engage other ideas.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by MereInterest on Friday October 19, 2018 @03:15PM (#18259192)
> Besides, you can't restructure the Senate to make it proportional to population (at least without unanimity among the states), as that is literally the one thing that an Amendment cannot do. (There used to be another, but that was time-limited.)

Though, if there was enough support, it could be done with two amendments. The first would be an amendment to Article V, removing the requirement of unanimous changes to the Senate composition. The second would actually change it.

The likelihood of that happening is effectively nil, but it is allowed by the rules set out in the Constitution.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by int_19h on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:57PM (#18261696)
The current compromise was established with a very different number of states, and a very different proportion of small states to large states. It made more sense then than it does now.

Curiously, Federalist papers even have an explicit warning to that effect. Although originally it was written about the structure of the federal government under the Articles of Confederation - where it was one-state-one-vote, and many matters required a supermajority. But you can easily see how it can apply to the Senate and EC:

"To give a minority a negative upon the majority (which is always the case where more than a majority is requisite to a decision), is, in its tendency, to subject the sense of the greater number to that of the lesser. ... The necessity of unanimity in public bodies, or of something approaching towards it, has been founded upon a supposition that it would contribute to security. But its real operation is to embarrass the administration, to destroy the energy of the government, and to substitute the pleasure, caprice, or artifices of an insignificant, turbulent, or corrupt junto, to the regular deliberations and decisions of a respectable majority. In those emergencies of a nation, in which the goodness or badness, the weakness or strength of its government, is of the greatest importance, there is commonly a necessity for action. The public business must, in some way or other, go forward. If a pertinacious minority can control the opinion of a majority, respecting the best mode of conducting it, the majority, in order that something may be done, must conform to the views of the minority; and thus the sense of the smaller number will overrule that of the greater, and give a tone to the national proceedings. Hence, tedious delays; continual negotiation and intrigue; contemptible compromises of the public good. And yet, in such a system, it is even happy when such compromises can take place: for upon some occasions things will not admit of accommodation; and then the measures of government must be injuriously suspended, or fatally defeated. It is often, by the impracticability of obtaining the concurrence of the necessary number of votes, kept in a state of inaction. Its situation must always savor of weakness, sometimes border upon anarchy.

It is not difficult to discover, that a principle of this kind gives greater scope to foreign corruption, as well as to domestic faction, than that which permits the sense of the majority to decide; though the contrary of this has been presumed. The mistake has proceeded from not attending with due care to the mischiefs that may be occasioned by obstructing the progress of government at certain critical seasons. When the concurrence of a large number is required by the Constitution to the doing of any national act, we are apt to rest satisfied that all is safe, because nothing improper will be likely to be done, but we forget how much good may be prevented, and how much ill may be produced, by the power of hindering the doing what may be necessary, and of keeping affairs in the same unfavorable posture in which they may happen to stand at particular periods."

"It may happen that this majority of States is a small minority of the people of America; and two thirds of the people of America could not long be persuaded, upon the credit of artificial distinctions and syllogistic subtleties, to submit their interests to the management and disposal of one third. The larger States would after a while revolt from the idea of receiving the law from the smaller. To acquiesce in such a privation of their due importance in the political scale, would be not merely to be insensible to the love of power, but even to sacrifice the desire of equality. It is neither rational to expect the first, nor just to require the last. The smaller States, considering how peculiarly their safety and welfare depend on union, ought readily to renounce a pretension which, if not relinquished, would prove fatal to its duration."

(Federalist #22)

In fact, the current situation is even worse than the Articles: today, if you take all states, rank them by population, and take the bottom 3/4 of them, that group has less people in it than the top 1/4. This, by the way, means that the Constitution can, in theory, be amended without having even a simple majority on the national level. How long do you think that state of affairs is sustainable, before the large states decide they've had enough?

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by Latteland on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @05:01PM (#18287447)
Interesting point re minorities.

I'm in a bigger state, I think we've basically had enough and if the subversion of democratic votes such is being attempted in Georgia right now happens, that might the thing that starts the bigger states to think about leaving. I know the current pres got elected by a situation that was unlikely, but the power majority the republicans have could keep going for a while. If it wasn't for China and Russia, the us could all go our own way right now, maybe into 3 or 4 countries.

We don't really have a solution for the people without much hope of a decent job, and hateful rhetoric like we see now won't get us anywhere. I don't feel ill will for the true believers, that somehow think dinosaurs walked the earth with people, but I would prefer we can live in separate countries and not hate each other.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by SyneRyder on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:52PM (#18258029)
I think Australia is mostly set up this way. We call it "One Vote, One Value". Each member of parliament is meant to represent roughly the same number of voters, within a +/- 10% tolerance. When populations change, voting boundaries are redrawn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_vote,_one_value

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by badpun on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:31PM (#18257875)
Poland is such a country. People from rural area get voting power roughly proportional to their number. I can't say if this or the US/Japanese way is more common.
Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by sobani on Monday October 22, 2018 @12:35PM (#18276083)
In the Netherlands every vote is counted equally. I don't know of any problems or complaints from our rural areas, but I don't live in them.

Also every party represents their constituents proportionally. In the last election 10,563,456 votes were cast, so every 704,230 votes (1/150th) gets you a seat. There are basically no thresholds, so it happens regularly that parties with less than 2% of the votes get seats.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by adrianmonk on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:37PM (#18258411)
If Japanese culture works how the article describes, it seems relevant. The bidding war wouldn't happen without the return gifts, and it could be stopped by eliminating them.

But in order to change a law or rule, there must be the political will to do it. Japanese culture appears to give the return gifts a plausible pretext. If you oppose the return gifts, it could sound like you don't understand tradition.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by usaar333 on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:38AM (#18257460)
> . The whole reason for the first 2000 yen not being tax deductible is this is something you are only supposed to do if you seriously want your money to go to a local government, and allowing non-taxed return gifts defeats the intention of how the system is set up

I definitely found it strange Japan is allowing the local governments to gift 50% back.

In the US, legally any portion of a charitable contribution you get back in personal benefit (e.g. an expensive banquet) is not tax deductible.

Re:Japan's Hometown Tax by wyattpeak on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:39PM (#18257927)
It would probably be instructive to know how actual charitable donations are handled in Japan.

I have no idea, but in a highly reciprocal culture I could well imagine that effectively punishing reciprocation in that way would be a political non-starter.