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Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by diegoperini on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @01:54PM (#18241628)
If what LIGO achieved is not loud enough for the 21st century, then we are probably doomed. It is a NEW kind of telescope that has not even been utilized for 1% of its potential.

PS: I'm not arguing with your statement, you have all the right to think that way. Maybe even people who lived during Einstein's earlier times thought the same for their previous century.

Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by maze-le on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:01PM (#18242510)
Yes, and there are also neutrino telescopes. I wait for the detection of an high energy neutrino event from beyond the CMBR. I think the opportunity, our understanding of physics and technology give us right now are immense. The fact that general relativity and quantum mechanics havent been reconciled by now only means that this is probably a very hard thing to do. But it doesn't mean that 'phyics is dead'.

[0]: https://icecube.wisc.edu/

Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by bacon_waffle on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:12PM (#18244947)
> I wait for the detection of an high energy neutrino event from beyond the CMBR

My (non-physicist) understanding of this, is that neutrinos from then will be quite low energy now, due to the expansion of the universe(?), and so not detectable by the method IceCube uses. There is a minimum energy required, in part because the charged particles generated by the neutrino interaction need to be moving faster than the speed of light in water (or whatever the detection medium is) for there to be Cherenkov radiation generated and then detected.

That said, I would love to see a response from a more knowledgeable person!

Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by whatshisface on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:22AM (#18245884)
The neutrinos may start out with any energy, whatever produced them will determine that. To cross the great expanse of time and redshifting due to expansion and still have a lot of energy left, they would simply have to start out with a whole lot more. Any neutrino event that we could detect from that far away would probably be massive anyways, so maybe we'll see something.
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by HalcyonicStorm on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:42PM (#18242273)
I would argue that one of the reasons why physics news has been quiet is because the state of the field has moved beyond a lay person's understanding at more than a high level.
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by danarmak on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @05:19PM (#18243906)
Few non-physicists understand quantum mechanics even at a high level, but that certainly hasn't stopped journalists over the last hundred years. Whatever the new frontier is, I'm sure the popular media could cover it in technobabble just fine if they wanted to.
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by doombolt on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:55PM (#18242442)
If you can't explain your idead to your janitor, you don't really grasp them yourself.
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by admax88q on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:43PM (#18243611)
The thing I hate about this statement is it gives people an excuse to ignore things they don't understand at first glace by claiming the presenter doesn't fully understand it so it's probably not true.

Its a good standard to hold yourself to when explaining things to others. But not one to hold others to when explaining to you.

Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by whatshisface on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:24AM (#18245892)
"Be liberal in what you accept but conservative in what you generate."
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by diegoperini on Monday October 22, 2018 @10:49AM (#18275073)
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by JackFr on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:41PM (#18243597)
OTOH...

"Hell, if I could explain it to the average person, it wouldn't have been worth the Nobel prize." -- Richard Feynman

Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by HalcyonicStorm on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:24PM (#18242790)
I agree with your statement, but we're discussing physics reporting in the news. They are aiming for eyeballs and ad clicks, not for emanating understanding of the topic.
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by doombolt on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @05:24PM (#18243948)
One can read Wikipedia as well
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by vnorilo on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:30AM (#18245925)
If you can successfully eli5, that indicates thorough mastery of a subject. Stuff on the bleeding edge of physics can be grasped by a limited group of experts, but nobody might have developed the 10th dan sensei level understanding yet. Maybe in 50 years we'll have great explanations of black holes and quantum mech that laypeople can grok.
Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by bsder on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:04PM (#18244914)
> If what LIGO achieved is not loud enough for the 21st century, then we are probably doomed.

The problem is that it is REALLY hard to describe to the layman just how excruciatingly difficult it is to do what LIGO does.

I like to think that I know a thing or two about electrical engineering and quantum mechanics, and even I probably don't get just exactly how amazing LIGO is.

Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by njarboe on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:54PM (#18245562)
The original paper on the first detection of a black hole merger by LIGO is really great[1]. It's even open access. Much of the paper is accessible to someone at the freshman physics level. Download the pdf as it is in a much nicer format than the online version.

[1]https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.11...

Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by nikofeyn on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:50AM (#18254308)
kip thorne's talks are really good about explaining ligo's importance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxhp4GBr1Zg

Re:Are Black Holes Actually Dark Energy Stars? by rsynnott on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @05:20PM (#18243914)
I think people have been predicting gravity wave telescopes for so long that when one finally showed up, it wasn’t that exciting to the press.