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Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be productive?

Long story short, I work remotely, am building a few side projects, trying to get in shape, learn a foreign language and a million other things. Unfortunately, like everyone else, I end up wasting time on the internet and making excuses. Self-motivation has its limits. Specifically as a remote worker, I’ve found it’s easy to fall into an “unstructured abyss.”

I recently had the idea of hiring someone to ‘keep me on track’, so to speak. A cross between an assistant and a coach.

Has anyone done something like this? I’m even thinking a 60 minute session once a week to just review my goals, make sure I’m getting stuff done, and being accountable to someone is a good start.

( 38 comments | 34 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by wilsonnb3 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:08PM (#18234069)
Learn to love wasting time on the internet and then you won’t need a life coach.

I agree that self-motivation has its limits but I think the solution is to just do less.

Is there any reason you need to be building all of your side projects, getting into shape, learning a foreign language, and whatever else you’re trying to do right now?

Maybe just work on one side project. Maybe focus on getting in shape and six months or a year from now, once you’ve built some good habits, start working on that foreign language.

I understand the temptation to do everything ASAP but I believe it’s an unhealthy way to live.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by rootsudo on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:31AM (#18256569)
Heh, this is funny.

I was in the exact position as OP and I think wasting time on the internet is bad because:

1. You trust a few sources, and you forget to see hidden bias. HN, Reddit, Facebook, other misc forums.

2. Internet addiction is real, it's a continued feedback loop that creates a dopamine addiction, especially if you lack dopamine in the first place. e.g. ADD/ADHD, like me.

Self improvement is discipline, and I always suggest it --- I wasted a year, and my teenage years just messing around on the Internet. Sure it shaped my life, future into being in IT, but it can be a bad cycle if you don't know how to properly use time management techniques to reduce "wasting time."

Time is valuable.

Setting aside time per day compounds to week/monthly accured time. This can lead to new skills.

OR just knowing the newest gossip.

Learning new skills is good, and OP should do it. Seek experts, in what you want. Network, travel and be friends.

Frittering away on the Internee in an endless loop of content is not the way to do it.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by dawidw on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:32AM (#18237744)
Our time is limited.

It's not possible to have 20 interests and spend 2 hours each day on all of them. You need to choose some of them.

How to do that? Calculate your free time and use it for the things which are important/you want to develop. Eg. each day you need 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of work - that gives us 8 hours a day for other things. From that take some time for commuting, higene, shopping, eating. Let's say that you have 4 hours from Monday to Friday. Plan those slots. Taking care of your body: 1 hour phisical traning Mon, Wed, Fri. Plus 10 minutes stretching each day. Learning language? One hour Tue and Thu. Plus Anki session each day. And so on. Start with that. Then if you see that you still have some time available, add next thing. Remember - consequence is the key. You can't do 3 fitness trainings on Saturday to cover whole week. You can't sleep 24 hours to cover next 3 sleepless nights.

> and a million other things.

You simply can't. Sad but true.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by dawidw on Thursday October 18, 2018 @06:21AM (#18247193)
I haven't heard [1] because it's just come to my mailbox but it seems you may find some answers to your questions.

[1] Podcast #450: How to Make Time for What Really Matters Every Day

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/podcast-450-how-to-m...

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by haxel on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:41PM (#18233545)
Take a peek at Functional, https://functional.benome.ca, a side project of mine that's in beta-testing that aims directly at your problem. Because it's also my problem, as a remote worker, and it definitely helps keep me on track.

If you're interested, I'll create a "remote-worker" group for us so we can help motivate each other from a distance.

Any other remote workers are welcome to join too, email me at steve at haxel.ca and I'll hook you up.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by konschubert on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:09PM (#18233733)
This looks like a super interesting project, but the website is (intentionally?) confusing and I don't get what it does.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by haxel on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:26PM (#18233843)
The website is indeed not ready for public consumption, so if there's anything I can clarify for you, I'd be happy to do so.

Edit: does this help?

The basic idea is that to solve a problem, you must take the right kind of action more often. Yet what compels us to take these actions when we are not self-motivated? Functional does, by taking it social.

1. Identify your problem or interest

2. Join or create a group whose topic is that problem or interest. The group may provide seed activities. Each activity has a target frequency (e.g. once per week)

3. Optional: add more activities you'd like to do more often

4. Tell the Functional when you do those activities

5. Everyone in your group gets to see how you're doing. Nobody gets to see what you're doing.

6. If you fall behind on an activity, you'll receive a message to do that activity from someone in your group.

The system is designed to be persuasive so that those simple messages (and other stuff) are as compelling as possible.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by konschubert on Thursday October 18, 2018 @05:23PM (#18252256)
That looks really cool. I tried to sign up but I have a German cell phone number. Does this mean that I'm out?
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by haxel on Thursday October 18, 2018 @09:20PM (#18253661)
Right now, unfortunately yes. I'll be sure to mention that limitation in the future. Supporting regions outside of Canada/US is too much of an overhead for me right now.

While the system does support non-SMS communication channels, it looks like the regulatory overhead (GDPRS, etc) means I'd need a fair bit of funding before expanding to Europe.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by ilaksh on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:27PM (#18233438)
It sounds like it could help.

One alternative idea is rather than making it one person's job to hold you accountable, spread that out to multiple people.

Have routine online meetings with people you work with. They can hold you accountable for the work.

Get a personal trainer for fitness.

Find someone who might be a user or otherwise care about your side projects and share progress updates or get feedback from them.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by jryan49 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @10:15PM (#18235457)
You are trying to do too much at once. The desire to do so much at once, plus letting yourself down due to high expectations is sabotaging yourself, and tiring your brain out too. We all need to take breaks and rest. Your brain is like a muscle. Try throwing out your todo list. Be bored for a while. Come back in a few months and pick one thing that you find really motivating.

You obviously do not want to actually do any of these things if you're not doing them already. You probably feel social pressure from HN to be super cool startup person.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by tekkk on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:28AM (#18236596)
Create routines or habits, slowly but persistently. It will take some time to ramp up to get into the "work all the time" -mode. And once you're there well... You'll notice that there is other things in life.

Schedule your days and focus on doing things well. Gym to me is now easy but for beginners they might feel a bit discomfort going there. Get a PT if necessary but do not quit.

About building side projects i recommend focusing on one thing at a time. Then it's just finding the time coding it, if you feel that it's too hard to even start you should go to an environment where help is available. Internet cafe perhaps? Look around if you see developer looking people and ask for help/opinions about stuff. You have to build momentum to get things moving and doing everything on your own only for yourself makes that difficult.

Good luck! Remember to balance things out, it's very important in the long run. Do sports, do social interactions, do arts if that's your thing. Dont put all your efforts into coding only.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by justtopost on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:39AM (#18239511)
Wow, a lot of negativity here. Quick, abandon all your hobbies and focus on programming! /s

Real talk: Prioritize. Some hobbies or interests will rise to the top, and most others fade off. It is true that the fewer you pick the deeper you will explore them, but many hobbies are quite shallow when you exclude the egocentric powerstruggling communities and focus on the fundamentals, and can be a constant source of unique experinces. Workout in the mornings, do a routine that includes short warmup, resistance training, and stretching/mobility, while keeping heartrate up for extended periods. Record your weights and seek progressive overload as your body adapts. But abs are made in the kitchen, diet is not unimportant.

You know what you need, give yourself that 60 min session. Put it on your calendar, treat it like a job interview. Dress nice, and make it a thing. Review your goals and progress. Set some rewards or perhaps even penalties for stuff you need extra motivation for.

I cannot speak to actual coaches. I am fortunate to have friends who I can occasionally bounce things off. It is always good to have a, somewhat disinterested, outside perspective for spotting 'obvious to anyone else' type issues. Reminder to cultivate your friendships, they are not static.

For doing stuff that does not need the internet, unplug it. Yup. Dead serious. You will feel like a damn fool each time you forget and try to check HN, email, etc. and quietly shame youself into keeping focused. Its like an electric shock when you are confronted with your, usually invisible, lack of self control. May work poorly in shared offices, and shared wifi. If your phone is the problem, turn it off as well. Works even better when it has an obscene boot time to let you remember and confront yourself. Part of improving is learning to change yourself willfully, and choosing to see whats ugly in yourself so you know what to change. Change for its own sake is just chaos, usually only useful when everything is bad and lacking orientation.

I once 'hired' a friend as an adhoc manager. I had a project that would make me money based on performance. Being unmotivated at the time, I offered her a cut, for everything above what I would lazily do. Ended up doing 3x the work just thanks to her refocusing me. She, meanwhile, had zero technical knowledge of my project, and frankly, didn't much care. This helped her see the big picture I was missing with my head buried in the logical challenge.

Never stop learning.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by nickff on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:36PM (#18233902)
Consider reading "The Productivity Project" by Chris Bailey, it has a lot of techniques that might give you a start. The exercises in the book are also very helpful.

Having a good idea of where you stand and what you are looking for is helpful if you do choose to go into a coaching, therapy, or psychology session.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by dmitripopov on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @07:41AM (#18238047)
Work from a co-working center, it helps to eliminate unconstructive time waste. But make sure that people there are actually doing things, not hanging around chatting.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by MrMontyBurns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:28PM (#18233444)
Isn't that what psychiatrists are for? A friend of mine has sessions on a 2-week basis although he doesn't have any issues. His reasoning is basically that it's nice to have time to talk about himself with someone.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by dickeytk on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:39PM (#18233534)
you mean a psychologist I think
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by astrange on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:05PM (#18233702)
Or therapist.

A psychiatrist is someone who can diagnose you and prescribe medicine. You can talk to them if you want but it costs more.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by invalidOrTaken on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:28PM (#18233446)
I think the big thorny issue is the same one pg highlights when hiring programmers: if you're not a good one, you can't discern between the good and the bad.

You shouldn't hire me, because I'm not a professional, and you probably couldn't tell if I were, but I've recently had great personal victories in this area after many years of frustrating failure. I'd be happy to spend some time on Skype sharing what I've learned, particularly on how to approach what you call the "unstructured abyss."

Email is in my profile.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by badpun on Thursday October 18, 2018 @11:40AM (#18249241)
> if you're not a good one, you can't discern between the good and the bad.

I'd go even one step further - even if you are a good programmer, it's hard to discern between the good and the bad hires. The reason for that is that you can check for technical proficiency, but it's very hard to assess someone's long term motivation levels. There's plenty of candidates who are strong programmers, but are just not motivated and will go to great lenghts to do the bare minimum to not get fired. I think that's BTW why the large corps insist on things like high GPA - not neccessarily for the knowledge gained, but as a proof that you were able to consistently motivate yourself to a high degree over a period of a couple years, doing the work which you weren't neccessarily in love with - which is exactly what they need.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by gt2 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:28PM (#18234193)
Can you summarize here for the rest of us?
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by invalidOrTaken on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:39PM (#18234981)
At the risk of coming off as an asshole, one of the things I've learned is to avoid holding forth on the internet when I have other, time-sensitive things to do. Now is one of those times.

The other consideration is that I am not being completely altruistic here: I would gain something from getting to know keiferski "in person" (or "in video," anyway). A remote dev with some side projects is a valuable person to know, for all sorts of reasons. And of course there's the simple pleasure in getting to know, and hopefully helping, a human being.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by gt2 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:56PM (#18235247)
Well at least you gave one piece of advice while you were taking the time to reply.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by wetlag on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:07PM (#18234701)
I am interested in working with some sort of life coach as well.

Maybe check out the Work Gym from Ultraworking? The basic idea is that everyone brings their own work, and a moderator guides everyone through a structured process for getting things done. Lots of highly motivated people there, and I’ve been really productive on these sessions.

https://www.ultraworking.com/the-work-gym/

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by jryan49 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @10:24PM (#18235561)
I found it quite funny to see how miserable the people in the picture are "trying to achieve their goals":

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/589c04f52e69cf9719483...

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by quickthrower2 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:11AM (#18237118)
That's the look of delayed gratification.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by bsvalley on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @07:09AM (#18237916)
I’m surprised no one mentioned it yet, but how about getting a “normal” job with office hours? This would destroy your free time and force you to focus on the essentials. You might be someone who needs a well structures environment to function properly.

And also, I’d search for a mentor instead of a coach. I would want to learn from a successful person and try to apply that to my own life, rather than having to report to someone about things I already know.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by JSeymourATL on Thursday October 18, 2018 @11:06AM (#18248905)
> trying to get in shape, learn a foreign language and a million other things.

Clarity is as important as motivation and willpower.

Good food-for-thought on defining what is meaningful from Brendon Burchard > https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/brendon-burchard/hph-deluxe...

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by h0h0h0 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:45PM (#18235065)
You really really need to do one thing only. This list is way overwhelming. No wonder you're actively avoiding your work. Looking for a life and productivity coach maybe will make you accountable to someone, but i have a suspicion it's another clever way to avoid actually working.

Seriously. Trim that todo list. That's insane.

Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by nyrulez on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:24PM (#18245675)
I do it every week and it has helped me tremendously over the last 3 years. If you can find someone you like and can afford it, I highly recommend it. I found my "coach" on Craigslist and since then have stuck with it. Let me know if I can answer any questions.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by krypt0n on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:08PM (#18233723)
Would be interested to see if I can be of any help. I think I have seemingly opposite problem. I go to various parks with a small board which says "Not any professional. But if you want you can have a nice short talk. No commitments."
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by TheAlchemist on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:42PM (#18233552)
How about doing the 60 minutes sessions, writing it down as letters to your future self ?
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by eudora on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:54PM (#18235215)
I'm suddenly grateful for my mum basically doing this for free my whole life.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by quickthrower2 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:14AM (#18237138)
I doubt any parent would make a good life coach for their kids. There may be exceptions but it'll be rare. Parents would find it hard to suitably detach and there is going to be a shit load of emotional baggage, biases etc. from their childhood. Even if they are a good life coach for other people.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by WAthrowaway on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @12:29PM (#18240683)
I'll do it for you for only 100 dollars a session. I will also send you reminder texts and set checkpoints for you to keep you on track. Email is in profile
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by jczhang on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:09PM (#18234714)
Heh, I'll offer to be anyone's life coach on here if they're interested. Free initial consultation to see if there's a fit :)
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by sotojuan on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @12:25PM (#18240624)
You’re trying to do too much. Get rid of some hobbies. Otherwise enjoy burning out in two months.
Re:Ask HN: Tips on hiring a “life manager” or coach to be pr... by eddof13 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:34PM (#18234224)
https://store.tonyrobbins.com/products/the-time-of-your-life you can try the Tony Robbins RPM method or a similar solution.

Alternatively you could hire his coaches but they are expensive I wager.