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Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by madrox on Monday October 15, 2018 @12:59PM (#18221435)
Which they acknowledged
Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by gowld on Monday October 15, 2018 @01:54PM (#18221952)
They are more than "slightly" different. A product manger is a creative professional. A project manager is an administrative professional.
Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by icedchai on Monday October 15, 2018 @02:51PM (#18222539)
Creative writing, maybe? Outside of founder-level product managers, of which I have worked with several who are actually creative, I remain unconvinced there is much real difference.
Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by NearAP on Monday October 15, 2018 @03:40PM (#18222992)
Product Managers - identify problems to be solved, decide/play a role into what features goes into MVP or a release, talks to customers, comes up with/designs the solutions (functional solutions) to the problems (aka features and how they interconnect), do UI designs (major UI designs can go to the UX team, smaller UI designs stay with product manager), etc

If your company is using the sprint model, the Product manager is not doing much of project management.

At the end of the day, what a PM does depends on the company and how they use PMs

Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by icedchai on Monday October 15, 2018 @03:46PM (#18223038)
So you say. However, I've been at companies where PMs are running the daily sprint / scrum meetings.
Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by joeyaiello on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:53PM (#18244516)
As a product manager (technically "program manager" at Microsoft, but it's roughly the same as product managers across the industry), project management is one of the many things I do, in addition to the list above. But I am explicitly not a project manager in that I'm supposed to minimize time spent on that and share some responsibilities in that space with my engineering counterparts.
Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by acjohnson55 on Monday October 15, 2018 @05:04PM (#18223728)
I don't think I've ever worked someplace where the product manager role is fundamentally creative. It's their job to j understand stakeholder concerns and coordinate the team around solutions. But designers are typically doing the creative UX work.
Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by p1esk on Monday October 15, 2018 @02:37PM (#18222400)
Not really. When I had a "product manager" title, I had to do plenty of "project management".
Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by fossuser on Monday October 15, 2018 @03:09PM (#18222712)
I've found there's some status thing with 'product manager' (particularly at Google) and product managers will make sure you know the difference.

In practice I'm not sure how different they actually are. Typically when someone is desperate to say how much better/harder their title difference is it's because it's not really obvious otherwise.

Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by analog31 on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:23PM (#18225882)
At my workplace, the product managers are part of the marketing department, and interface with the sales force. Most of them have MBA's.

The project managers are in the engineering department and interface with the engineers, suppliers, operations, etc. Most have engineering degrees.

They work out most of the project documentation together, such as the specifications, budget, schedule, etc.

Re:The highest paid workers in Silicon Valley are product ma... by ryandrake on Monday October 15, 2018 @03:07PM (#18222698)
It’s almost as if the roles are a little bit different at each different company! I’ve worked places with a single person doing these roles, and places where they were separate people. Also worked places without someone doing them, and that situation is consistently awful.