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Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by TwoNineA on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:42AM (#18175867)
Preorders for the 9900K are 578$ USD.

For that you can get a Ryzen 2700X, a nice motherboard and a 256GB SSD. Performance delta shouldn't be more than 15% deficit for the Ryzen for a few specific games.

Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by vinw on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:55AM (#18175975)
Keep seeing this 'delta' word. From context it is basically like 'difference'. But is there a delta between difference and delta?
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by berbec on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:58AM (#18176004)
Delta makes you sound smarter.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by gameswithgo on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:11AM (#18176098)
it is less typing, and less data. save the planet.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by dboreham on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:26AM (#18176222)
'd' works too, or did for Leibniz..
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by berbec on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @11:40AM (#18176845)
'Δ' must be a sign of Greenpeace membership, then.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by marvin on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @12:32PM (#18177369)
Only if you've memorized how to type it. If you have to Google it beforehand, it serves as cheap signaling at best and an environmental transgression at worst.
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Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by umvi on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:33AM (#18176272)
Speaking of reddit, there is a subreddit called /r/changemyview where you can award deltas (Δ) to people that have changed your view or provided a particularly compelling insight.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by Symmetry on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:46AM (#18176364)
'Delta' has connotations of being quantitative that 'difference' doesn't have.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by Geforce8472 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:10AM (#18176090)
'difference' can be subjective, 'delta' is a measurement of an amount of difference.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by neolefty on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:41AM (#18176330)
It comes from mathematical writing — the greek letter delta ∆ is often a variable used for the difference between two values.

So maybe you could translate it as "quantified difference".

Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by Covzire on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @11:57AM (#18177014)
Delta = numerical comparisons only, or at least that's the only context I've ever seen delta used in.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by gameswithgo on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:08AM (#18176074)
If you have a program that uses AVX instructions much the delta will hit ~2x
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by nalllar on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:27AM (#18176227)
AVX512 on downclocks, you won't see the full 2x scaling.

Cloudflare ran into some trouble with this: https://blog.cloudflare.com/on-the-dangers-of-intels-frequen...

Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by dragontamer on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:50AM (#18176400)
AVX512 doesn't exist on the i9-9900k.

You need the "X-series" to get AVX512.

Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by gameswithgo on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:48AM (#18176381)
AVX512 would be ~4x, but this intel CPU doesn't have it.

AVX2 is ~2x, Ryzen/AMD fakes AVX2 instructions with multiple SSE instructions.

Some AVX2 instructions downclock but not much, I see very close to 2x speedup over SSE2 with some workloads. Some of the downclock loss is made up for because there are more instructions available (gather, etc)

AVX512 might hit more than 4x improvement over SSE on some workloads despite the downclocks, due to all of the masking features. I have seen results consistent with this, 2nd hand. (I don't own an AVX512 cpu)

Anyway all of these things depend on workload, cpu, compiler etc. But it does happen!

Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by dragontamer on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:53AM (#18176417)
> AVX512 would be 4x AVX2 is 2x, Ryzen fakes AVX2 instructions with multiple SSE instructions.

Not quite. Everything is fake, because everything is encoded into micro-ops first.

Ryzen's internal micro-op engine is 128-bit wide. But it has 4x pipes... each handling 128-bits at a time. So any 256 bit instruction will simply use two-pipes at a time.

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So the 256-bit instruction does in fact, execute at once.

The difference is that Intel has 3-pipelines, each of which can do a 256-bit instruction by itself.

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In effect: Ryzen is 4x128-bit pipelines, with the ability to merge pipelines together to do a 256-bit instruction.

Intel is 3 x 256-bit pipelines, with the ability (on Skylake-X) to merge pipelines together to do a 512-bit instruction

In any case, Intel has wider pipes than Ryzen. Intel Skylake is effectively a 256-bit CPU, while Ryzen is only a 128-bit CPU.