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Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by Copereno on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:41AM (#18057556)
What are the downsides of having middle and high schools start at 9am with elementary schools starting at 7:30am? Basically a reversal of what is in place today.

Just go through with one fell swoop and swap every single starting time.

Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by lodrein on Monday September 24, 2018 @11:12AM (#18058341)
It may seem feasible on the long run. Indeed, it can be easier for the parents of the new children to adapt their schedule.

But it can be very hard for the parents that previously chose the school (partly) because of its start time, and adapted their own life & work schedule around this time.

Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by kidofthestreets on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:53PM (#18059776)
A "two-tier" system with 7:30 and 9:00 starts is interesting - one thing to consider, though, is that many, many families in Boston would like for school to start between 8:00 and 8:30. So a solution with zero students starting in this window might be unpopular.
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by AllegedAlec on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:50AM (#18057645)
Where do you live that schools start at 07:30?

Also, it'd have a huge side effect: middle/high schools kids can go to school on their own. Many kids at elementary schools cannot. With this, you force parents to drop their kids off much earlier, which would fuck with their work schedules.

Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by Broken_Hippo on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:56AM (#18057685)
I'm from indiana. 7:30 is a common starting time. I'll add that most parents in the areas I lived didnt take their kids to school. A lot kids take the bus, either from home or from a daycare. Additionally, many schppls offer before and after school care, usually starting at 7 or 7:30 for the parents that will pay for it.
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by scentoni on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:24AM (#18057907)
Indiana has the most complicated time zone history of any state in the US because of a long-running battle between those who want to be on Eastern time for synchronization with the East Coast and those who want to be on Central time because that’s where the state’s longitude puts it.
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by Broken_Hippo on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:04PM (#18058817)
Yup. As far as I've witnessed, syncing with either Ohio/Eastern time or Illinois (Central time) is the main bits of the matter. Northwest Indiana is pretty in line with Chicago: Terre Haute (southwest-ish) more on Illinoise. Lafayette (central west/Purdue area) is in between. Central Indiana doesn't matter so much due to Indianapolis. Southeast is more in line with Louisville and the entire eastern edge, once you are outside of the easily Indianapolis area, is more reliant on larger Ohio cities. (Cincinatti, Cleveland, and to a smaller extent, Toledo). Ft Wayne I'm not as sure about, though I think they'd rather stay in line with Ohio's time.

I*m not entirely sure why it is a big deal: Either way, it is only an hour at this point. To be fair, it was more difficult before indiana adopted Daylight Savings time.

Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by bzbarsky on Monday September 24, 2018 @11:33PM (#18063376)
Where do you live that they don't? ;)

My high school (in Maryland) started at 7:25. The middle school in my town in Massachussetts now starts at 7:40.

Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by AllegedAlec on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @02:15AM (#18064015)
I'm from the Netherlands. I believe that my primary school started at 08:15-08:30. High school started at the same time.
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by jaclaz on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @12:05PM (#18067562)
Same in Italy, all schools - independently from grade/type - start in that timeframe, but there are some advantages from what seemingly happens in Boston:

1) Elementary and middle schools are (more or less) neighbourhood based, it is an exception that a pupil comes from far away.

2) The "problem" comes starting from high school, in Italy we have two "generic" high school types, the "Classico" and the "Scientifico" (I think there is no need for a translation) of which there are many + a number of "focused" or "professional" schools like Geometri, Ragionieri, Linguistico, Artistico, Alberghiero (Surveying, Accounting, Linguistic, Artistic, Hotelier) and usually it is the kids going to these latter types that have the longer commuting time/earlier waking needs, particularly those coming from villages nearby the city.

In my times, I was lucky enough to be able to walk (accompanied or later alone) to elementary school as it was less that one block away, as well walk (some fifteen minutes walk away) to middle school and go by bike or moped or bus to high school (a fifteen to thirty minutes trip at the most).

But I had friends that went to that or the other "professional" institute that had 1 h - 1 h 30 trips every morning, so they usually set the alarm clock to 6-6:15 in the morning.

Now I will sound as an old grumpy bastard, but all in all none of us suffered from the scary consequences outlined in the article:

"Sleep-deprived teens are at increased risk for poor academic performance, binge drinking, and suicide."

Maybe, just maybe, it is that risk that is a tad bit exaggerated?

Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by alistairSH on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:28PM (#18059554)
First class at my high-school (Fairfax County, mid-90s) was 7:20am. Some still start that early, though the county has moved some to later starts. And some primary schools were moved into the early slot. There are only so many buses/drivers to transport kids.
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by ashelmire on Monday September 24, 2018 @12:34PM (#18059073)
Also, importantly, you'd then have younger kids getting out of school much earlier, which would require parents to pay for after-school care. And parents with younger kids are often younger and therefore generally making less money...
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by jstarfish on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:12PM (#18059419)
Atlanta metro area, starts at 7:40.
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by frockington on Monday September 24, 2018 @09:48AM (#18057621)
Allegedly the problem was that parents had to quit their jobs to adjust to the schedule. To me this seems easily solved by having little Jimmy walk or take the bus to school. No need for parental involvement in those cases as 12 year olds are capable of getting off and on a bus without supervision
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by sopooneo on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:25AM (#18057919)
I used to work in Boston Public Schools, so I have some context that may or may not address your point. One issue is that for the most part, Boston does not do "neighborhood schools" anymore. So a kid could easily have a 1.5 hour* walk to get to school. However, your point about busses largely stands because, at least for high school kids, the district mostly partners with public transit to bus the kids around.

* Downtown Boston is tiny. But the actual official city is pretty big, and dips much further south than many people realize.

Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by Broken_Hippo on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:00AM (#18057717)
It is more because older children can watch the younger ones after school. A 15-year old can watch the 8 year old for an hour or so after school. the 12 year old might be able to, but can definitely stay home alone. An 8 year old needs care. The later start minimises this with a "traditional" work schedule.
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by hammock on Monday September 24, 2018 @10:57AM (#18058216)
How many households have a 15 year old and an 8 year old?
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by Broken_Hippo on Monday September 24, 2018 @11:59AM (#18058769)
Im sure google has precise answers and it has changed since it became a standard arguement 30+ years ago, but I do imagine plenty. 3 years between kids and having 3 kids gets you pretty close (the 8 year old would have a 14 year old sibling). I personally have siblings 6 and 11 years younger than me. The bigger issue with me answering is that not only am I 40, but I'm childless and living in a different country than I grew up in. I*m not sure what the standard family actually is right not in different parts of the country.
Re:What happened when Boston Public Schools tried for equity... by s73v3r_ on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:07PM (#18059364)
You may want to check out some of the neighborhoods involved before you make such a statement.