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Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by SiVal on Sunday September 23, 2018 @05:54PM (#18053482)
It seems as though the needed escape hatch is a browser that simply CAN'T send info about you back to home base. Firefox might qualify, but I don't know for sure, and I don't want that to be our only option. There's a lot of great engineering that goes into Chrome.

So I'm wondering: Is enough code open sourced to make it possible for an organization such as Apache, GNU, or whatever, to create a sanitized fork of each new version of Chrome? This would be a version of Chrome with no privileged party other than its user. Every other party would be limited to the same set of features (cookies, local storage, etc.) that apply to all 2nd parties.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by rst on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:33PM (#18053668)
You might want to look into the Brave browser (https://brave.com), which is a commercial browser based on the Chromium code, funded by a micropayments idea, which tries to generally be more privacy-sensitive than the Google version.

As for a fully open-source version: here's a fairly recent summary (2017) of what's in Chrome and not in Chromium (the open-sourced subset):

https://www.howtogeek.com/202825/what%E2%80%99s-the-differen...

There are other omissions that could get in the way of general usability; chromium also omits some proprietary licensed codecs, including the mp3 support.

However, Google synch support, etc, is left in -- and if you desire to keep that out, maintaining the patch set that does it without cooperation from upstream could be a hassle. Whenever they refactor of update the integration between synch and the rest of the browser, you need to make corresponding changes in the patch set that cuts all that out -- and at a fairly rapid pace, too, lest you find yourself unable to ship an urgent security update.

So, it's doable -- but at a price in usability, and doing it right requires some kind of continual effort. Which is what Brave is, in effect, trying to arrange with their payments-based funding scheme. And even a very capable person trying to do the project solo, on a volunteer basis, would be putting themselves at risk of burnout.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by StudentStuff on Sunday September 23, 2018 @08:02PM (#18054080)
Does one really want to associate themselves with Brendan Eich though? Brave is what he has been building after being ejected from Mozilla.

While Brendan has built some interesting and useful things including Javascript, he is apparently poisonous enough to cause three of Mozilla's board members to resign, including a founding executive of Yahoo, the former CEO of AVG, and the former CEO of Mozilla Corp (from 2008 to 2010).

His wiki page is a good reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by dblohm7 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @10:11PM (#18054550)
You're repeating a lot of misinformation. Here's a better reference:

https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-under-fire-inside-the-9-da...

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by contem on Sunday September 23, 2018 @09:00PM (#18054301)
The disagreements were about strategy and mobile experience, so not enough to call someone poisonous. Place Yahoo, AVG, and Moz Corp against Brendan's co-founder status and JavaScript.

The other toxic drama was about a 1000$ political donation. Very sad to see an unpopular view used to paint someone as a monster. If democratic political views are enough to kill someones career, it is more a sign of the toxicity of today's social media and activism than a character judgment.

> Does one really want to associate themselves with Brendan Eich though?

No, not really. Not a good political idea to align yourself with the black sheep. With all the tars and feathers he just looks weird.

Though it also works in his favor: Brave is popular amongst the alt-right and technical-minded early adopters. They see it more as character assassination and SJW corporate culture taking desperate vengeance for Trump's win.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by thrower123 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @09:16PM (#18054360)
The fact that Eich was pilloried after the fact for what was at the time a mainstream political opinion is absurd.

Brave is fantastic on android though.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by Dylan16807 on Monday September 24, 2018 @01:02AM (#18055147)
> at the time

It was ten years ago. When people fussed about it it was six years old.

How many years back do political actions count as relevant?

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by tomxor on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:51PM (#18053765)
> Is enough code open sourced to make it possible for an organization such as Apache, GNU, or whatever, to create a sanitized fork of each new version of Chrome?

Yes: https://wiki.qt.io/QtWebEngine

> Qt WebEngine uses code from the Chromium project. However, it is not containing all of Chrome/Chromium: Binary files are stripped out. Auxiliary services that talk to Google platforms are stripped out. The codebase is modularized to allow use of system libraries like OpenSSL. We do update to the latest Chromium version in use before a Qt release.

Here's a browser: https://www.qutebrowser.org/ I haven't tried it yet.

[edit]

oh, it's already in the apt repos on debian testing :)

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by ori_b on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:37PM (#18053691)
If it's connected to the internet, then it can send info to home base. The only way around this is code that's simple enough to audit and understand.

That ship sailed long ago for browsers -- if you care about auditability, you can't trust the web.

Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by nickpsecurity on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:51PM (#18054028)
Exactly. I'll go further in saying a system or software should be considered insecure if it connects to Internet and wasn't designed/implemented with strong security. That's most stuff.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by ori_b on Sunday September 23, 2018 @08:08PM (#18054101)
That's a red herring. We're not discussing a security bug -- the system is working as designed. The problem is that the goal is not desirable, and the standards and code are complex to the point that an independent implementation is intractable.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by ziftface on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:31PM (#18053938)
This doesn't answer your question, but I thought I'd mention: A lot of great engineering goes into Firefox too. I really think you ought to try the version of Firefox that enables WebRender by default, when it comes out. I've been using it in Nightly on Mac, and it's seriously worth trying.
Re:Why I’m done with Chrome by pdkl95 on Sunday September 23, 2018 @06:36PM (#18053686)
> a browser that simply CAN'T send info about you back to home base

Unfortunatly that requires a large sacrifice: no Turing complete languages.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15708099