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Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by epberry on Thursday September 20, 2018 @01:53PM (#18034284)
In my experience "do both" on any big decision is a recipe for disaster. Very hard to avoid tho. I've known this and still pushed for it just because choosing one of two hard options is itself so hard.
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by seizethecheese on Thursday September 20, 2018 @04:50PM (#18035349)
Famously, this is what Justin.tv did. They split the company into three parts:

1) Justin.tv 2) Twitch 3) SocialCam

I suspect if they had to choose one, they would have done SocialCam, and they would have missed the billion dollar opportunity that was Twitch.

Like most things, it depends.

Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by mwseibel on Thursday September 20, 2018 @06:30PM (#18035943)
We did both for a relatively short period of time (about 1 year) when we were a profitable company. So... very special circumstance. Btw - its kinda cool that people even know the backstory to Twitch.
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by anoncoward111 on Thursday September 20, 2018 @06:42PM (#18035994)
HackerNews proving once again that you can get incredible insight in real-time from names big and small :)
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by seizethecheese on Thursday September 20, 2018 @07:01PM (#18036076)
Credit to the team having both you and Justin as great story tellers.
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by syntaxing on Friday September 21, 2018 @04:18PM (#18042369)
I remember listening to you guys talk about your experience starting the company on a podcast (I think it was Startup from Gimlet media?). It was an awesome episode (I think two actually) and was very inspirational to listen to. I love the part when you guys received the money during one of the founders' wedding and seeing the number on the bank account.
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by owens99 on Friday September 21, 2018 @06:19AM (#18038565)
(my personal experience) 80% of the time, do both is the wrong choice. 20% of the time, it's the right thing. So say no 80% of the time and say yes less than 20% of the time.
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by kozikow on Thursday September 20, 2018 @02:06PM (#18034380)
Another version of "do both" I have seen and been guilty of is "let's just keep supporting X in case it will become relevant in the future".

Actually sitting now and deleting part of the code that should have died a long time ago.

Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by nostrademons on Thursday September 20, 2018 @07:44PM (#18036234)
Oftentimes you can frame it as "try both" successfully. If you have a big decision, think of the smallest, quickest way you could test both of the options and get some visibility on the results. Then do that, pick the one that's working better, and stop doing the alternative. You can at least be open to unexpected successes with this strategy, and protected against unexpected failures.

This also has the advantage of forcing you to think of the smallest, quickest way to test your hypotheses, which has a fair amount of value itself.

Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by kentmori on Friday September 21, 2018 @09:23AM (#18039469)
Yeah definitely agree here. This is probably also the best way to actively to avoid "doing both" in the long term. Twitch does seem to be a great example here (as mentioned above) and Emmett also talks a bit about it in his user testing class from startup school (starting @ 2:40ish).

https://youtu.be/qAws7eXItMk

Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by sergiosgc on Thursday September 20, 2018 @02:56PM (#18034677)
I have mixed feelings on that advice. Sometimes, keeping a pair of old clients that have a closer relationship with your company provides priceless feedback on the product.

The advice is, in general terms, correct. It is not an absolute, though.

Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by gwbas1c on Thursday September 20, 2018 @03:27PM (#18034881)
I really wish more information was written about why "do both" was so bad.

Why were the high touch customers such a distraction?

Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by hsk0823 on Thursday September 20, 2018 @03:44PM (#18034971)
Because they're high touch? White glove versus self service. Self service Will always scale with technology, white glove services only scale with more white gloves.
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by brianwawok on Thursday September 20, 2018 @04:04PM (#18035078)
Depends on margins. White glove works fine as long as margins are high enough. Many of the largest clients are not going to do self service.
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by mooreds on Thursday September 20, 2018 @08:40PM (#18036420)
"if it doesn't hurt, it isn't a strategic decision"
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by bonestamp2 on Thursday September 20, 2018 @02:01PM (#18034336)
I suppose it may vary, but what do you think is the right way to decide on which of the non-do-both options is best? The one with more automation? The one that maximizes runway?
Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by goatherders on Thursday September 20, 2018 @02:39PM (#18034576)
Of course it depends, but this is where having a mission statement is really helpful. I've been in this position before and what seemed like a hard decision at first was super easy once I reread the mission statement. "Oh wow...option B clearly fits into the mission while option A does not."

I would encourage every company, large or small, to work on a real mission statement that can be committed to for the long haul.

Re:Lessons From a Failed Startup — From and For First Time F... by abraham_lincoln on Thursday September 20, 2018 @02:51PM (#18034641)
As I have gotten older, this is a good way to judge potential employers, especially if they cannot articulate the mission.