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Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by nostrademons on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:26PM (#17980494)
Most likely this is a "Senior Research Scientist at Google" rather than a "Senior Google Research Scientist", i.e. "Senior Research Scientist" is his title (the equivalent of Senior Software Engineer on the research ladder) and he works for Google, rather than he is a high-up at the company. He's only 32, has been with the company for 2 years, and his previous job was an assistant professor, all of which are credentials that would be roughly Senior SWE level rather than an executive or department head.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by frogperson on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:36PM (#17980603)
I don't think his age or tenure should affect the message he is sending.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by klagermkii on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:55PM (#17980763)
It doesn't change the message he's sending, but it does change how the reader should perceive it. Being at the company longer and in a higher position implies that he has more at stake, and so would require a significant change to be worth leaving. It also would mean he's had longer "indoctrination" into the common Google Culture and that this could be the harbinger of further similar reactions from other long-time Google employees.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by oihoaihsfoiahsf on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:54PM (#17980762)
It is a much bigger deal if a VP or a CEO resigns over something than if a janitor does, even if they do so for the same reason.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by exrook on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:35PM (#17981113)
I don't think this makes sense, while the C-level exec may have a lot more to lose measured on an absolute scale, the quality of their life will not change significantly following their resignation. However, the janitor potentially has his or her entire livelihood at stake and will likely struggle to support themselves until they manage to find another job.

For this reason, I think if the lower-level staff at your company are quitting over moral/ethical issues, you probably have much worse problems than if your highly-valued employees are leaving.

However, I'd imagine this particular employee has a lot more in common with the VP than the janitor and I don't imagine he will have any trouble finding new employment following this.

Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by oihoaihsfoiahsf on Thursday September 13, 2018 @03:01PM (#17981383)
My claim is not about what makes sense. My claim is about actual reality. People in general care more when powerful employees resign. It would be a huge deal if Sundar resigned over this, or Page. It is not a big deal that this rank and file research scientist resigned. I could propose a few hypotheses as to why, but I'm guessing you're capable of coming up with your own.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by nostrademons on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:37PM (#17980611)
I don't think it does either, but it does affect the accuracy of the title that this story is submitted under.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by dang on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:33PM (#17981104)
Ok, we took the word 'senior' out of the title to avoid confusion and offtopicness.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by eanzenberg on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:20PM (#17980989)
Being an assistant professor at Stanford is orders more prestigious than whatever title he has at Google.

For example, Dr. Fei-Fei Li is a professor at Stanford and the Chief Scientist at Google. The professorship is orders of magnitude more prestigious than the Google thing.

Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by nostrademons on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:43PM (#17981198)
Depends on which group you hang out with.

Being an assistant professor, or any part of academia, holds little appeal for many people who just want to make money in industry. For that matter, I didn't think working for Google was all that prestigious when I joined - I wanted to be a startup founder, like the guys who founded Flickr or Del.icio.us or ViaWeb, and Google was my consolation prize when that didn't work out. It was a bit of a mindfuck to see all the kids coming out of college and asking "How do I get a job at Google? It's been my dream since like forever!", and a further mindfuck when I met my wife, was like "Yeah, I was in line behind Larry Page at the cafeteria today", and she was like "Who's Larry Page?"

Ultimately convinced me that chasing prestige was pointless, because it turns out everyone has a different definition of it. You would be surprised how much peoples' values differ, or how some people can be completely indifferent to other peoples' heroes. I mean, this person clearly preferred living a life true to his values than whatever prestige comes from working for Google.

Anyway, I mentioned it because in my experience, former assistant profs at top universities were usually slotted into L5 (Senior SWE/Research Scientist/Data Scientist/etc.) at Google, while full profs were usually slotted into L7 (Senior Staff whatever). So there is a rough correspondence in that those are the corresponding levels that the same person who happens to have done both jobs ends up occupying. You could argue about which is more prestigious and you'd be right, by definition, because prestige is in the eye of the beholder.

Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by eanzenberg on Thursday September 13, 2018 @07:44PM (#17983686)
Getting a professorship at Stanford is way harder than an L5 at Google, hands down, no questions.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by nostrademons on Thursday September 13, 2018 @08:17PM (#17983826)
Don't care, have no interest in getting a professorship at Stanford.

Getting a spot on Stanford's gymnastics team is way harder than getting a professorship at Stanford. After all, there are 39 spots for the former, and 2219 spots for the latter. The denominators are of roughly the same size, 4.8 million kids who do gymnastics vs. roughly 5M Ph.Ds.

I have no interest in being a Stanford gymnast either (and in any case that ship sailed 20 years ago), but I'm making a point about prestige. The numbers would be even more stark if I'd picked another sport like basketball.

Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by rifung on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:46PM (#17981229)
> For example, Dr. Fei-Fei Li is a professor at Stanford and the Chief Scientist at Google. The professorship is orders of magnitude more prestigious than the Google thing.

By what measure? She was the chief scientist of which there is only one but there are many professors at Stanford. She's not just any professor though: she's also the director of the AI lab which you could argue is more prestigious but I don't see why you would consider a "regular" professor title to be more prestigious than a chief scientist who managed a large number of researchers.

Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by ocdtrekkie on Thursday September 13, 2018 @03:14PM (#17981503)
Possibly interesting/relevant, Fei-Fei Li is returning to her job at Stanford, primarily, and someone else is taking over as the head of Google Cloud AI: https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/inside-google-cloud/goo...
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by pfortuny on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:23PM (#17981020)
Which is a proof that his values are truly important to him. More kudos to him.
Re:Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture of Our Values” ... by photos_victim on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:48PM (#17981249)
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I don't know what the "research scientist" ladder looks like but "senior" is the median grade of software engineers. Half of SWEs are Senior or higher.