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Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by mveety on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:44PM (#17942674)
This happened to a friend of mine. He does heroin recreationally and isn't addicted and doesn't get withdrawal symptoms. The court mandated he go to treatment and was basically required to take buprenorphine during treatment regardless of him needing it. The treatment facility also didn't believe him when he told them how much he used and thought he was still using in the facility because he didn't have withdrawal symptoms even though the drug tests said otherwise.
Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by tmp-20150107 on Saturday September 08, 2018 @06:30PM (#17943158)
Seems dubious.

On the methadone program I'm on, before they could start the treatment, I had to take multiple toxicology screens to show I was addicted to heroin. These places are incredibly worried about opiate-naive individuals overdosing, which can happen even with the small initial doses on these programs. Note that this is in the UK, which has a much less litigious medical culture USA as well...

Not to cast aspersions on your friend, but have you considered that he may be lying to you about only using recreationally, and using this story to explain why he's on a treatment program? One thing about heroin is that it's pretty much impossible to use regularly without becoming addicted. As a heroin addict myself I know that unfortunately deception can easily become a normal part of your life.

Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by refurb on Saturday September 08, 2018 @10:47PM (#17944063)
That’s my understanding as well. There are requirements that the person is actually dependent on opioids before they are admitted to a program.
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Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by mehrdadn on Saturday September 08, 2018 @09:23PM (#17943770)
> You said pretty much impossible which means it's possible.

Is that how it works? If the sentence had been "walking through a wall via quantum tunneling is pretty much impossible" would you have also translated that to "walking through a wall via quantum tunneling is possible"? Would this have been a helpful translation?

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Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by dang on Sunday September 09, 2018 @04:44AM (#17944992)
Whoa. We ban accounts for doing personal attacks like this.

If you would please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and just post civilly and substantively to HN, we'd be grateful.

Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by fapjacks on Saturday September 08, 2018 @06:50PM (#17943238)
Seems dubious.

A test to show you are addicted to opiates does not exist, and also your own experiences do not represent the experiences of every person that ever used drugs.

Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by tmp-20150107 on Saturday September 08, 2018 @07:00PM (#17943275)
Yes, technically the tests are to show the opposite - that you are (not) opiate naive. Someone who can pass multiple closely spaced toxicology screens for heroin (i.e. opiates are not detected) is never going to be admitted to one of these maintenance programs due to the incredibly high risk of death by overdose.
Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by ChristianBundy on Saturday September 08, 2018 @09:45PM (#17943847)
> One thing about heroin is that it's pretty much impossible to use regularly without becoming addicted.

I'm happy to hear that your treatment is going well -- opioids can be incredibly hard to kick. On the other hand, you might be interested in some of the newer science of what drives addiction:

https://theoutline.com/post/2205/this-38-year-old-study-is-s...

Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by imron on Saturday September 08, 2018 @10:17PM (#17943965)
> He does heroin recreationally and isn't addicted

The time-worn story of how every single addict starts out.

Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by Aloha on Sunday September 09, 2018 @01:43AM (#17944546)
Not every person who uses a particular drug recreationally can or will get addicted to it. It depends on brain chemistry and a variety of other factors.
Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by CodeWriter23 on Sunday September 09, 2018 @05:56AM (#17945177)
Nope. Do heroin 4 days in a row and you start having withdrawal symptoms. Regardless of any other factors including brain chemistry.
Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by girvo on Sunday September 09, 2018 @10:09AM (#17945940)
As far as noticable withdrawals, it takes a lot longer than 4 days for someone who’s new to it. If you’ve ever been an addict to opiates before though, yeah that’s about right.
Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by Broken_Hippo on Sunday September 09, 2018 @11:02AM (#17946202)
Most recreational use doesn't constitute such things, though. Unless you have a very different view of recreational use than I do.
Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by int_19h on Sunday September 09, 2018 @04:08AM (#17944902)
That's true broadly, but opiates are a bit of a special case, no?
Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by Broken_Hippo on Sunday September 09, 2018 @11:00AM (#17946194)
If they were immediately addictive, everyone that got a morphine shot in the hospital would need to seek treatment. It isn't a "one use and you are addicted" or even "occasional (recreational) use will get you addicted". A portion of folks will seek it out more often, but most folks will just seek it out occasionally.

With opiates, the bigger danger is daily or consistent use over a period of time. The period depending on how often you take it and how you are using it and the strength of your dose.

Re:OxyContin billionaire has patented a drug to wean addicts... by Broken_Hippo on Sunday September 09, 2018 @10:58AM (#17946173)
Yes, but it is the same with things like alcohol. Most folks that smoke pot daily don't start out that way either. Most folks that wind up with a coke habit only do it occasionally at first as well. Lots more people do these things in an actual recreational pattern - every so often. Only a portion get addicted because only a portion ever do it that often.

Yet, if someone has an incident with alcohol (for example), they might be required to attend AA meetings even if they aren't a regular drinker. Same with other drugs.

This is true even if heroin withdrawal symptoms start after just a few days. Recreational use generally isn't daily use or two days in a row.