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Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by ObsoleteNerd on Friday August 31, 2018 @09:21AM (#17885317)
Welcome to the DMCA. It's as broken as copyright and causing quite serious stifling of young creators. It sometimes feels like it's used more for evil than for its legitimate purpose.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by cninja on Friday August 31, 2018 @09:55AM (#17885571)
Takedown notices on Youtube are not handled under DCMA. DCMA has protections against false accusations.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by DuskStar on Friday August 31, 2018 @12:36PM (#17886940)
More like "DMCA theoretically has protections against false accusations, but instances of people being held accountable are extremely rare."

Knowingly making a false DMCA claim is perjury, and IMO it should be treated as such. Instead companies send out automated claims in the thousands and then come back with "but we didn't know it was wrong, it was the bot!" and get away with it.

Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by dweekly on Friday August 31, 2018 @02:59PM (#17887969)
Hi there. Plaintiff here from OPG v Diebold, the first successful case enforcing 512f against knowingly false DMCA takedowns where the defendant was found guilty and owed several hundred thousand dollars in damages. It can and does happen and there is court precedent. Contact EFF if you're on the receiving end of an obviously bad DMCA takedown.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by ngold on Friday August 31, 2018 @05:25PM (#17888703)
Bravo, now if it could become standard practice.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by realusername on Friday August 31, 2018 @01:10PM (#17887198)
Having bots flagging videos is the source of the issue in the first place, there should be a captcha and DCMA requests should be manual.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by digi_owl on Friday August 31, 2018 @03:14PM (#17888062)
The process Google has set up is an outcome of DCMA, because Youtube can only operate as long as they can claim DCMA "safe harbor" status.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by phobosdeimos on Saturday September 01, 2018 @06:00AM (#17891156)
Yeah I don't know what people expect. YT is huge now, they are being watched by governments and corporations alike. The days were you could find entire movies on YT or Al qaida recruitment videos is long gone. If Google steps out of line everyone is immediately at their throat.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by def_true_false on Monday September 03, 2018 @10:32AM (#17902771)
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by matheusmoreira on Friday August 31, 2018 @04:27PM (#17888425)
>It sometimes feels like it's used more for evil than for its legitimate purpose.

That's exactly what it is used for. It's a multibillion dollar industry that will always ask for more and more power to police their imaginary property. They even coerce other countries into adopting similar laws as part of trade agreements. I'm convinced that copyright infringement is moral and akin to civil disobedience.

Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by ekianjo on Friday August 31, 2018 @09:37AM (#17885448)
Seems? More like its mainly used in this way nowadays. There is no risk in sending DMCA notices so of course its abused.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by dalore on Friday August 31, 2018 @01:44PM (#17887489)
Wonder if we can return the favour? If someone sends us an obvious unfair takedown (like in the article) we can name and shame them. And also do the same tactics, go to their content and report it as violation of your content. Even if it doesn't they still have to respond and go through the same hoops.

If a group of us formed and we did this to all of them and gunged up the system, google would be forced to improve it.

Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by jstarfish on Friday August 31, 2018 @02:13PM (#17887688)
> And also do the same tactics, go to their content and report it as violation of your content.

This might work between rival game streamers or something but the law offices of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe likely do not have a YouTube channel for you to retaliate against.

Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by Timmah on Friday August 31, 2018 @03:54PM (#17888236)
But you could find out who is legitimately using that copyright on YT and retaliate against them. For instance, if you use a clip of a Prince song that is taken down, and you determine that BMG music owns the Prince catalog, you could send automated infringement requests against PrinceVEVO or any official BMG uploads.

Even better if you created a "burner" corporation. Ie P.O. box in Delaware and act on their behalf. They have to take you seriously because corporation, amirite?

Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by ThrustVectoring on Friday August 31, 2018 @04:10PM (#17888328)
YouTube is far more broken for small to medium content creators than the big guns.

IMO the way to go is to get their contact details out of the copyright claim and sue them in small claims court.

Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by Tehnix on Monday September 03, 2018 @02:56PM (#17904274)
YouTube is broken for anyone that isn’t a giant media corporation, or very heavy ad buyer. The biggest YouTuber on the platform regularly gets false copyright claims, DCMAs, etc.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by toss1 on Friday August 31, 2018 @04:02PM (#17888289)
Perhaps an automated system like the defunct BlueFrog anti-spam system (which worked too well)?
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by michaelmrose on Friday August 31, 2018 @06:46PM (#17889062)
Alternatively they would get better at filtering out your requests.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by ConceptJunkie on Friday August 31, 2018 @12:18PM (#17886762)
It's seems to me it's doing what the people who paid for it want.
Re:Can Beethoven send takedown requests? by sambull on Friday August 31, 2018 @09:48AM (#17885524)
All these schemes are to stifle and own