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Re:Show HN: SVG 3D Builder – Build 3D Models with SVG by goatlover on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:29AM (#17818184)
Java was open source and Sun wanted Netscape to embed Java in their browser. According to Brendan Eich, Netscape considered having both JS and Java along with a canvas element both could draw on, but time constraints dictated otherwise. So Java ended up being used as a plugin.
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Re:Show HN: SVG 3D Builder – Build 3D Models with SVG by BrendanEich on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @03:00PM (#17821044)
From https://devchat.tv/js-jabber/124-jsj-the-origin-of-javascrip...

Transcript: https://devchat.cachefly.net/javascriptjabber/transcript-124...

Find "Andrew Myers"

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Re:Show HN: SVG 3D Builder – Build 3D Models with SVG by colordrops on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:28AM (#17819364)
Was java ever truly free though? Oracle's shenanigans indicate otherwise.
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Re:Show HN: SVG 3D Builder – Build 3D Models with SVG by microcolonel on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @12:31PM (#17819902)
> Was java ever truly free though? Oracle's shenanigans indicate otherwise.

It probably could have been, pre-Oracle.

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Re:Show HN: SVG 3D Builder – Build 3D Models with SVG by BrendanEich on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @03:05PM (#17821088)
No, Sun was not looking to open it up and even got in a spat with Microsoft over Java. MS responded by pulling Java out of Windows, which broke Outlook Web Access and required fast work to implement the first XMLHttpRequest Active X implementation of that now-standard XHR (=> Fetch) API as replacement for the Java async-io class that OWA used while Java was in Windows.
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Re:Show HN: SVG 3D Builder – Build 3D Models with SVG by microcolonel on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @05:16PM (#17822267)
I meant that Oracle is less amenable to fixing the social issues they create surrounding their products, which hamper their usefulness.
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Re:Show HN: SVG 3D Builder – Build 3D Models with SVG by stuaxo on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @11:51AM (#17819559)
Wow, this really would have been a different past - similarly if flash had been able to draw into elements in the dom properly.
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Re:Show HN: SVG 3D Builder – Build 3D Models with SVG by BrendanEich on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @03:03PM (#17821073)
Alas we could not lure Andrew C. Myers away from his PhD at MIT under Liskov, which would have dashed his academic future hopes (he is a professor at Cornell).

Netscape also had Jonathan Gay and his brother stop by to try to sell FutureSplash (what became Flash) to us post IPO, but so many companies were crowding the door, and the marketing guy vetting them was harsh, so they went to Macromedia. That was for the best: Netscape would not have built the great tools that Macromedia did.

So two "what if" near-misses re: early canvas-for-HTML. Sad but true!

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