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Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by deadbunny on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:23PM (#17804118)
> it is way too expensive for regular gamers

Better cancel my pre-order then...

> 2080Ti likely won't be able to do 4k@60Hz like 1080Ti couldn't either

My 1080ti and 4k monitor beg to differ.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by adar on Monday August 20, 2018 @09:07PM (#17805875)
> Better cancel my pre-order then...

I mean you're not countering his point in any way. He didn't say nobody would buy it, but it's a simple fact that most people can't afford or justify a thousand dollar GPU.

The vast majority of people buying Nvidia GPUs in the 10xx generation were going for 1060s and 1070s.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by sundvor on Monday August 20, 2018 @11:14PM (#17806636)
Yet, going by a scan of people on the train last time I caught it, heaps of people seem to find money for iPhone Xs at almost the same price point.

If you're sufficiently dedicated, even with limited funds going for every second or third iteration of halo products can be a great strategy. That way when you get it you'll have the absolutely best there is and a couple of years down the track it'll still be great but maybe it won't quite do Ultra anymore on the latest titles.

The 1080TI transformed my experience of my X34 Predator (it even paid for itself through timely sale of mining profits) which does 3440x1440 @95hz. I certainly wouldn't mind the new card but I'll wait for the next one after that minimum.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by oblio on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:07AM (#17808368)
Don't most people get expensive phones because of subsidies from carriers? Or at least, they pay monthly installments for these devices, through data plans (basically).

Do people really take out loans to get super expensive video cards?

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by dagw on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:03AM (#17808821)
Do people really take out loans to get super expensive video cards?

Sure. Either by putting on a credit card or by using some sort of in store financing.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by merinowool on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:40AM (#17808049)
They find money, but it doesn't mean they can _afford_ it...
Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by TheRealDunkirk on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @09:59AM (#17809573)
People seem to be missing something in this particular point of the conversation. It's not a function of absolute price. It's a function of price-per-performance. Sure, a lot of the crowd here can afford the 1080 or the Titan, but the bang-for-buck favors the lower-end cards.
Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by sigi45 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:13AM (#17807936)
And you also didn't.

'most people can't afford or justify'. Come one. People buy cars and other stuff. Someone working fulltime and buying a 1k cheaper car can already afford and justify a 1k graphics card.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by xxs on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:17AM (#17808171)
Video cards tend to be from the entertainment part of the budget, cars are totally different.

Cars do last way more than a video card as well, they have increased warranty period(in the EU video cards have 2y, cars usually 5-7y).

Cars tend to be purchased on leasing due to their higher cost and actual necessity. So saving 1k on a car usually doesn't transfer to 1k in cash.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by sigi45 on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @04:35AM (#17817249)
We are already talking about a small percentage of people who wanna buy a graphics card.

From those people, it is easily justifyable to spend less on a car, a holiday or rent and instead having a nicer gaming rig. If you spend a lot of time playing games why not?

Modern technology is way cheaper than the previous/old status symbols.

I'm thinking about buying a car and one simple calculation is still what else i can do with that money.

And yes in munich, where i live right now, there are enough people with a car who could use public transport and don't us it.

The target group of a 1k graphics card is not someone who can barely afford the car he/she needs every day and would not be able to earn anything if the car breaks down...

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by freeflight on Monday August 20, 2018 @09:27PM (#17806003)
Really depends on the game and how much you value high refresh rates.

There's also the VR factor, as much as Nvidia/AMD like to label their products "VR ready" we are, imho, ways off from actually being there.

At least if the goal is gonna be something like two displays at 4k@90+Hz and upwards.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by gameswithgo on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:52PM (#17804337)
what kind of FPS can you get in Doom, all features on, at 4k?

my 1070 would do it, but it was garbage fps

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by seq2seq on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:57PM (#17804372)
I get 60 (limited by my monitor) or 1080ti. All settings maxed out at 4K
Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by naikrovek on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:15PM (#17806311)
Nearly the same story for me on a 980 ti. I have to turn some settings down, but I get 60fps @ UHD commonly.
Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by andkenneth on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:04AM (#17807645)
try uncapping your framerate, the game will let you run at higher than your hardware limit.
Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by soupbowl on Monday August 20, 2018 @06:48PM (#17804778)
What CPU do you have? My 1070 plays doom at 4k no problem.
Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by gameswithgo on Monday August 20, 2018 @07:19PM (#17805025)
It is probably just that we have different standards of what a good fps is.

For me if its not at 60fps or more ALL the time I'm angry. Grew up playing Quake and Unreal Tournament pretty seriously.

For a more casual game like skyrim it might be fine for me.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by gspetr on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:35AM (#17808974)
If you played seriously then you knew enough to turn the settings lower, not higher.

The last thing you want is having your field of view obscured by colorful explosions, bloom, debris, etc. when your opponent has a crystal clear vision on you.

Re:Nvidia announces RTX 2000 GPU series with ‘6x more perfor... by gameswithgo on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @09:34AM (#17809367)
Yes, I am well aware of that.

But that is a completely orthogonal point to the question as to whether doom runs well at 4k with all features on. Because I am asking that question does not mean I would play death match that way. But I might indeed go through the single player campaign that way.

Indeed I didn't play Doom at 4k at all, because as I said, it felt like garbage at 4k, no matter what settings, on 1070