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Re:Don’t Do This in Production by memset on Sunday August 19, 2018 @02:16PM (#17795476)
Agree with this. Same applies to any expert: how do you identify an experienced marketer? Or accountant?
Re:Don’t Do This in Production by jedharris on Sunday August 19, 2018 @07:17PM (#17796763)
To hire someone with expertise to solve a problem in a domain where you aren't an expert: You find people who claim to understand the domain, and then discuss the problem with them in depth. Your goal is not to evaluate them in general but to understand how they analyze the problem and how they'd deal with it.

You may have to hire them as consultants. You have to dedicate a day or more to discussion with each of them -- maybe considerably more if your problem is complex. You have to reveal information about your plans and/or the condition of your systems that may make you anxious or embarrassed.

After you've gone over the problem separately with five or ten putative experts, you will have a pretty good idea which of them understand it (if any), and you will also know how to ask much better questions going forward.

If necessary repeat this process, using your better understanding to find better experts and gain a better map of the territory.

Once you can rank expertise in your domain reliably, you might hire one (or more) of the known experts, but the best ones will be hardest to hire. Or you may use your new meta-expertise in the domain to look for more junior hires who have an unusually good grasp of your issues. Also, you may be able to get the best of your experts to act as advisors.

This takes a lot of time and may cost some money depending on the domain. But not doing it will take more time and cost more money in the medium to long term (and even in the short term sometimes).

Re:Don’t Do This in Production by hyperpallium on Sunday August 19, 2018 @09:27PM (#17797183)
AKA become expert.

I wonder if the people who become fantastically successful simply have the ability to evaluate expertise, without having any of it. i.e. by "reading" people, in some sense.

This relies on the "expert"'s own evaluation of their expertise, which mightn't be accurate, because of Dunning–Kruger, or conversely, self-doubt. So, one would need to "read" those too.

Re:Don’t Do This in Production by jedharris on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:06AM (#17809645)
You definitely can't trust people's self-evaluation either way. Lots of really skilled people are self-critical. "Reading people" of course helps but it is nowhere near enough.

But you don't have to become an expert. If I hire a plumber or carpenter, I cannot do what they can. But with enough work I can understand which plumbers or carpenters will do a good job.

Re:Don’t Do This in Production by yen223 on Sunday August 19, 2018 @03:06PM (#17795683)
... or climate change scientist? Or economist? Or president?

The problem of separating experts vs non-experts might be the single biggest problem society faces right now.

Re:Don’t Do This in Production by gameswithgo on Sunday August 19, 2018 @03:16PM (#17795720)
assuming you have a generally good education and brain to start with, a lot of hard work can usually accomplish it.

Think Elon Musk learning about rockets, back before he lost his mind.

I did it once for climate change, took a couple months, some math. Got there though.

Re:Don’t Do This in Production by chmhsm on Sunday August 19, 2018 @06:31PM (#17796543)
Before he lost his mind? You mean the recent interview or before that?
Re:Don’t Do This in Production by hyperpallium on Sunday August 19, 2018 @09:23PM (#17797166)
This is the problem that credentials supposedly solve - degrees, certifications, professional body membership etc.

You don't realize the difficulty of the problem until you must hire someone outside your own areas of expertise.

Re:Don’t Do This in Production by mathattack on Sunday August 19, 2018 @07:30PM (#17796805)
Depends on the magnitude of the problem to be solved.

Small problem: Ask friends for someone they have worked with on a similar problem.

Large problem (building an org): Ask 5 VCs/CEOs/VIPs for intros to the best person they know in that role, under the explicit direction of “learning what good looks like.” Interview all 5 with open ended questions. Ask each for one for one more contact. Eventually you will learn to pattern match, and one of the folks you like will volunteer themselves or a friend, and you will know how to interview.

Re:Don’t Do This in Production by kuwze on Monday August 20, 2018 @12:01PM (#17801026)
I remember somebody on this forum saying the best way to judge someone's technical prowess is to give a simple explanation of a complicated part of their field. If you can't summarize your knowledge you don't know what you are talking about.
Re:Don’t Do This in Production by wpietri on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @11:19AM (#17810363)
Unfortunately, a non-expert can't tell the difference between a good simple explanation and glib, confident ignorance. So I think that's a good test for expertise, but it's not one that a non-expert can fully judge.
Re:Don’t Do This in Production by acjohnson55 on Sunday August 19, 2018 @09:37PM (#17797224)
References and portfolio, at the end of the day.
Re:Don’t Do This in Production by robocat on Monday August 20, 2018 @07:34AM (#17799132)
The orange juice test is one person's answer:

https://www.intercom.com/blog/the-orange-juice-test/