>Qi Lu who was basically responsible for the creation of Bing

Qi Lu is not responsible for the creation of Bing. MSN Search project was well underway in 2005, then it was re-branded as Live Search, then as Bing. Qi Lu is joined in 2008.

Bing really is a pile of garbage though (perhaps a little better these days but no where near as good as Google). I'm surprised he wasn't fired sooner. Was he friends with Ballmer?

Qi was actually one of the better SVPs at Microsoft, I think he was even on the list for the CEO spot that Satya got.

He was given an almost impossible task in competing with Google basically from scratch. Ya, he didn't completely succeed, but that isn't very surprising.

What happened at the end, I'm not really sure. I was pretty surprised when I heard he was gone with Harry Shum taking over most of what he was in charge of.

(I worked at Bing when this all went down.)

It was a strange departure. He apparently got in some kind of cycling accident and took medical leave from Microsoft for recovery, but then just a few months later he was a senior executive at Baidu. Not sure what was up with that.

But contra the GP, the general opinion both during and after Lu's tenure was that he did a good job. It took a while, but Bing is profitable now, and he did a lot to get that in motion. I imagine it can't be psychologically easy to run an unprofitable department for years with the eye on long-term strategy, especially in the Ballmer era, but he pulled it off. Bing is not the disaster money pit that a lot of HN assumes it to be.

As good as Google is, I'm glad we have alternatives to choose from. Bing is actually pretty good in China where Google is not available.

I use Bing as my primary search engine while in China. It isn't blocked, has excellent search results, and is a general drop in replacement for Google/DDG. Baidu is a bit harder to navigate as a foreigner. I don't even try with Baidu Maps.

Baidu sucks and isn’t really worth the time to use. Maybe it’s kuch better in Chinese, but their English results are horrible.

How is Bing a pile of garbage? It takes some effort to come up with a search for which it or ddg are markedly worse than google. FWIW I still use google.

For streaming links you can't really find anything with Google anymore. Ddg works really well.

This is completely ignorant, given the massive advantages that Google has. To be fair, on the backend ranking algorithm side of things Bing and MSR did a lot of very innovative work. Google just has a massive, insurmountable data advantage that any newcomer cannot overcome.