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Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by whatyoucantsay on Sunday August 12, 2018 @05:57PM (#17746643)
Smokers cost the health care system less because they die younger: https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/6/e001678
Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by manicdee on Sunday August 12, 2018 @06:08PM (#17746700)
They cost more money per year to keep alive while they're dying, and they contribute less to the economy (because they die early). The indirect costs of their mortality are far greater than the direct savings.
Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by onemoresoop on Monday August 13, 2018 @12:16PM (#17751197)
They dont get pensions if they die early hence contribute more by not collecting
Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by refurb on Sunday August 12, 2018 @08:22PM (#17747247)
Why would they cost more per year when dying? Lung cancer can be pretty swift versus other diseases like Alzheimer’s.
Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by IMTDb on Monday August 13, 2018 @05:54AM (#17749047)
Speaking from europe where healthcare is basically free.

Medical care for these patients is extremely expensive. Each surgery costs around 50 to 60 thousand euro and it's not uncommon to get 2 or 3 of those before dying. Add to that the frequent visits to the doctor's office, the oxygen tanks if needed, the medications, etc. The other option would be to just "let them die" but that's not what we decided to do as a society.

The trend is that we are now able to keep them alive slightly longer, ( at a higher cost) and that they start developing symptoms slightly later thus reducing the potential "benefit" for society.

Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by refurb on Monday August 13, 2018 @02:52PM (#17752584)
Alzheimer’s can mean providing 24/7 care for a decade.

Not sure it’s cheaper than lung cancer.

Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by sytse on Sunday August 12, 2018 @08:49PM (#17747349)
Apart from health care pending it is good to also take into account pension savings https://www.cbsnews.com/news/philip-morris-admits-terrible-m...
Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by flukus on Sunday August 12, 2018 @08:12PM (#17747207)
> and they contribute less to the economy (because they die early)

The typically don't start to die in significant numbers until they're getting up to retirement age, they're an economic burden by that point.

Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by refurb on Sunday August 12, 2018 @08:23PM (#17747251)
Indeed. They also die early which means less social security to pay out.
Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by rosser on Sunday August 12, 2018 @06:03PM (#17746668)
But, per that same study, "society" would net — inclusive, among other things, of pension funds not disbursed — lose ~€70k per individual, while saving less than €5k on medical expenses.

Is that really a good bargain?

Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by 3pt14159 on Sunday August 12, 2018 @07:37PM (#17747100)
This is true, and I once quoted sources like it as a smoker that thought sin taxes were too high, but the larger truth is that smoking should be discouraged because we should make it socially unacceptable to stop our children from getting hooked like we did. I quit. It's good that I did for its own sake. We're not just numbers on a policy planner's spreadsheet.
Re:Do “sin taxes” work? by phobosdeimos on Monday August 13, 2018 @04:13AM (#17748684)
For now. Medical science advances. Keeping people alive is ofcourse great but there are costs.