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Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by xvedejas on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:44PM (#17730548)
Can anyone give me an idea of how valuable a person's personal information really is? I know companies are willing to spend a lot of money on this data, but I'm not yet convinced that that's rational. What are some examples of attempts to measure, for instance, the amount of advertising power gained by mining personal data? Does it turn out to be very lucrative? Or is it just trying to get an edge on the competition in an advertising race-to-the-bottom?
Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by tomhoward on Friday August 10, 2018 @12:00AM (#17730590)
An individual person’s data is not worth much to anyone (commercially I mean; personal surveillance is a separate matter).

An aggregation of lot of people’s data could be very valuable in certain circumstances.

E.g., if you could identify all the people who were close to being ready to purchase a house, that’s highly valuable to realtors and lenders - but they can still only expect to covert a single digit percentage (or <1%) of that group, so the data is only ever valuable in large aggregated sets.

So the answer is, it depends on a lot of factors.

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by paulie_a on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:13AM (#17730855)
I've actually run those ads, the aggregated data is worthless. It was almost on average with putting up a billboard, or running ads in the newspaper. Facebook was completely worthless for specifically targeting that example you mentioned. Google...spend a ton of money trying to Target cheap and more expensive keywords. You know what works for real estate.. Call every expired MLS home every morning. Online advertising for real estate is pointless bullshit. Realtor.com, Zillow, Trulia are quite frankly all low quality and insanely expensive for advertising. And yet incredibly innacurate.

If an agent is only converting less than one percent they won't last more than 6 months.

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by pjmorris on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:57PM (#17730581)
> Can anyone give me an idea of how valuable a person's personal information really is?

Rough lower bound: Alphabet's market cap is around 900 Billion, FB's market cap is around 500 Billion. Both of their businesses are driven by selling ads based on people's personal information. There are around 7 Billion people on the planet. That's about $200/person for everyone on the planet.

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by phs318u on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:40AM (#17730968)
Let's go with those numbers (which are probably high by an order of magnitude, but let's go with $200/person anyway). That's the value of my info to them.

What about putting a fair value on the services we ostensibly get in return. Worth $200? $200/year? More, less?

And how about putting a value on the financial impact should my data get into the "wrong hands" and I experience something like identity theft?

Without having some idea of the other values we're not really in a position (as individuals) to decide whether this is a fair trade.

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by maxxxxx on Friday August 10, 2018 @12:33AM (#17730701)
Google revenue from advertising is a little more than 100 billion per year as far as I know. I am not sure by how many people this should be divided to get a value person.
Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by Fricken on Friday August 10, 2018 @12:32AM (#17730693)
It's more than that. I went out for dinner earlier, and if they had just given me random food, there's a good chance I wouldn't have eaten there again, but I gave them my personal data so they were able to prepare a meal targeted specifically to my preferences.

I actually wasn't very comfortable with the information I had given them. I went to a shoe store right after, and the salesman was like "Is there anything I can help you find?"

I told him "Yes, but I'm not going to say, I've had it with giving up my personal data so you surveillance capitalists can make money off of me."

The shoe salesman directed me to the athletic shoes, which he knew were popular based on past user data he had aggregated, but that wasn't even what I was there for, I wanted dress shoes. What an idiot that guy was.

All these capitalists requiring us to give up our data just so they know what to sell us. The world has gone haywire, I say.

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by therein on Friday August 10, 2018 @12:54AM (#17730769)
It seems a little backwards, doesn't it?

I am going to try so hard to sell you something that you didn't know you wanted that I am going to look over the obvious... simply to ask what I wanted.

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by ablation on Friday August 10, 2018 @02:58AM (#17731236)
Nice try, Mark Zuckerberg.
Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by ionised on Friday August 10, 2018 @06:21AM (#17732043)
You're really clutching at straws with this one.
Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by Wimpzilla on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:42AM (#17730973)
-One can predict the social ants behaviour spending enough time observing them! -One can predict the social human being behaviour spending enough time observing them!

=>The only simple difference lie into not using the knowledge and data acquired about the ants to change what is their behaviour!

That's what science gave to industry without any scientist from any biological field felt ashamed about! I feel ashamed about!

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by hakfoo on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:08AM (#17730825)
I have a theory that aggressive profiling and targeting is a losing game for most merchants.

In short, you're only a potential seller to any given customer for a small fraction of time. No amount of improved profiles and clever messaging will expand that window meaningfully, because you only have a modest product line. You're going to spend a fortune building a profile that's not meaningfully better than just advertising on a few manually targeted platforms.

I will argue it might have value for a few mega-shops-- the Amazons and Walmarts of the world. Many customers are basically always in the window of "ready to buy something from them", so the value in profiling comes in selecting which thing to advertise to you.

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by andrewstuart2 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:55PM (#17730572)
The value of that data in the form of advertisements is usually about how much you stand to gain by selling them something, and how likely you think you are to convert them.

https://www.adgooroo.com/the-most-expensive-keywords-in-paid...

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by paulie_a on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:00AM (#17730792)
The odd thing in my opinion is that internet advertising is shit. It was shit in the late 90s and hasn't improved in 20 years. It's astounding these ad companies collect so much information.

Thanks for stealing private information on me and leaking it while not actually utilizing it in a useful way. It's pretty pathetic.

Re:The problem isn’t just Cambridge Analytica or FB, it’s “s... by murph-almighty on Friday August 10, 2018 @12:26AM (#17730667)
>Can anyone give me an idea of how valuable a person's personal information really is?

I argue it's more valuable than just cash.

The recent happenings involving James Gunn and Sarah Jeong (tl;dr old social media presence haunting people) are undoubtedly going to impact more people. I honestly suspect that people born around '95 (think 6th-8th grade when Facebook picked up) will face serious career issues based on things they've said in the past. Imagine being able to shut down a political career with a few screenshots from ten years ago, whether they're out-of-context comments on a video or jokes that aged poorly, or a video of someone doing a dumb party stunt.

What freaks me out is that the questionable things we say when we're younger and don't know better may never go away, and might ultimately be used as a suppression tactic to be sold to the highest bidder.

The weaponization of social media ultimately buys control.