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Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by kodablah on Thursday August 09, 2018 @04:12PM (#17728037)
> I wait to see what will be next on the chopping block.

I wish we didn't have to wait. I wish there was a large enough group of people that would boycott companies that make up the internet infrastructure (e.g. ISPs, registrars, DNS, CDNs, cloud providers, etc) for censoring lawful content. I wish we didn't require mass media articles to get groups of consumers to act in a common interest. And I would prefer it was absolute, regardless of content, because it's frustrating to watch lots of people agree with one decision and then get shocked when these companies become more choosey on the foundation of acceptability that was previously built. To be clear though, I want no government involvement in any way (on the censoring or non-censoring side).

I for one will point an Azure sales rep (or hiring recruiter) to this as a reason I will not engage with them. I have the same feeling about CloudFlare's decision. And I really don't like either of the censored groups.

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by gamblor956 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @04:15PM (#17728054)
There was no government involvement in this. Microsoft made a business decision that hosting Gab would subject them to business pressures from other customers/potential customers not wanting to use a service used by hatemongers.

That's not censorship. That's the free market at work. Gab is free to host their own website; and if necessary their own DNS servers. Hell, they're free to go Tor-only.

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by kodablah on Thursday August 09, 2018 @04:17PM (#17728076)
> There was no government involvement in this

I know that, I am clearly saying I don't want it for any consumer-led efforts.

> That's not censorship

Did you mean to say it's not government censorship or do we just have different definitions of the word? Whether they can host their own site or whatever has absolutely nothing to do with what is and isn't censorship.

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by rainonmoon on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:19PM (#17729399)
If I own a nightclub and it becomes a hotspot for the alt-right, who don't align with my values, and I close down that nightclub for that reason, am I censoring them? No, I'm excluding them from my privately-owned space and refusing to associate with them. Nobody's right is being infringed upon here; they're free to go to any other bar. "Whether they can host their own site" is absolutely relevant to what is and isn't censorship because all of the examples in this thread are still totally free to distribute (and even monetize) their content in public.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by kodablah on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:03PM (#17730163)
> am I censoring them

Yup

> Nobody's right is being infringed upon here

Of course not, who said otherwise? I just disagree wth the decision taken.

> absolutely relevant to what is and isn't censorship

You don't get to make up your own definition of the word. That someone blocks the speech is censorship, by definition, regardless of whether you can say it elsewhere and regardless of what you might want the definition of the word to be. I'm not going to condescendingly paste the definition here, but it's very clear Microsoft is engaged in censorship here.

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by rainonmoon on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:55PM (#17730364)
What I’m saying is: their speech hasn’t been blocked. Microsoft is making a decision not to align with a particular demographic, not shutting them out of public discourse.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by fvdessen on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:27PM (#17729448)
Maybe the state should provide hosting services so that the public can express itself freely without fear of being excluded.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by rainonmoon on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:43PM (#17729520)
It absolutely should, but then, I'm fundamentally in favour of more services becoming government-owned public utilities. The way this would (ideally) shake out here in Australia, though, is that given hate speech is not protected speech, the result may not be so different.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by stale2002 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:14PM (#17730428)
Censorship has absolutely nothing to do with the government, and I am confused as to why you think so.

Censorship is when any group at all, uses their power, any power, to attempt to silence others.

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by MaupitiBlue on Friday August 10, 2018 @01:12AM (#17730848)
Because censors were originally Roman government officials, because the dictionary reflects this, and because censor in common usage reflects this definition.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by im3w1l on Thursday August 09, 2018 @09:53PM (#17730129)
Why do you say that? EU governments are regularly complaining about hate speech and this will win Microsoft their favor.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by gsich on Thursday August 09, 2018 @06:08PM (#17728989)
"business impact" is almost always a lie or used as an excuse to do what you want.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by gamblor956 on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:43PM (#17729523)
Having worked for many multinational clients as an advisor, I can say with 100% certainty that "business impact" is not "almost always a lie" and is in fact quite the opposite.

On the other hand, if you're talking about the personal business fiefdoms of billionaires, then you're quite right--they make decisions based on what the sole owner wants, financial consequences be damned.

Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by gsich on Friday August 10, 2018 @12:13AM (#17730631)
Small minded businesses then I guess.
Re:Microsoft threatens to stop hosting Gab unless posts are ... by s73v3r_ on Thursday August 09, 2018 @07:56PM (#17729584)
And if they continued hosting, I would point an Azure sales rep to these groups as a reason why I would not engage with them.